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Moving domain and exchange [message #156067] Wed, 10 June 2009 01:24 Go to next message
Chris Hill  is currently offline Chris Hill
Messages: 4
Registered: June 2009
Junior Member
We have a project where we have an existing machine which is a domain
controller and a machine which is an exchange 2007 server. i believe the
exchange server is running on server 2003 x64.

We need to go to new equipment which will run server 2008 and and keep
exchange 2007 - I assume the active directory already have the exchange 2007
schema?
As part of this the new servers need to be located in a new location 200kms
away, we are think of rebuilding the original server a domain controller and
leaving it in the old location.

Given that the network between these locations may not exist for a few
weeks and we need to have it all running in the new location on the 1st of
July what is my best move forward?

Only theory I have come up with is build the servers in the old location
using the new locations ip addresses (in a sub network so it looks like its
in the new location)
Add a an active directory server, install new exchange server, migrate
emails then transport it all to new location once the network between them
exists.

Is this the only way? I'd like there to be a better way
Re: Moving domain and exchange [message #156074 is a reply to message #156067] Wed, 10 June 2009 02:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
florian  is currently offline florian  Switzerland
Messages: 484
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Chris,

Chris Hill schrieb:
> We need to go to new equipment which will run server 2008 and and keep
> exchange 2007 - I assume the active directory already have the exchange 2007
> schema?

Actually not. You'll need to incorporate the schema change to the
directory. AD doesn't ship the Exchange schema, it never has. So you'll
need to run a schema prep first.

> Given that the network between these locations may not exist for a few
> weeks and we need to have it all running in the new location on the 1st of
> July what is my best move forward?
>
> Only theory I have come up with is build the servers in the old location
> using the new locations ip addresses (in a sub network so it looks like its
> in the new location)
> Add a an active directory server, install new exchange server, migrate
> emails then transport it all to new location once the network between them
> exists.
>
> Is this the only way? I'd like there to be a better way

Can you elaborate more on how the end result should look like? Are those
two locations and the DCs and Exchange servers therein work as a single
domain? Will the old location stay so that, once the connectivity
between the two sites is given, replication needs to take place?

Assuming that, your best approach is to set up the two servers in the
old location. Ensure that replication is working on the DCs and stuff.
Then move the servers. Since replication won't work between the two
sites due to connectivity failing, I suggest you keep the administrative
change to both DC to a minimum. Once the connection is up, let the DCs
replicate.

Remember the tombstone lifetime when having the systems disconnected.
Check what tombstone lifetime length you have
http://www.petri.co.il/changing_the_tombstone_lifetime_windo ws_ad.htm.
Re-Connecting the two DCs within this lifetime is important.

Cheers,
Florian
--
Microsoft MVP - Group Policy
eMail: prename [at] frickelsoft [dot] net.
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Re: Moving domain and exchange [message #156102 is a reply to message #156067] Wed, 10 June 2009 10:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Meinolf Weber MVP-DS  is currently offline Meinolf Weber MVP-DS  Germany
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Hello Chris,

See inline.

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
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> We have a project where we have an existing machine which is a domain
> controller and a machine which is an exchange 2007 server. i believe
> the exchange server is running on server 2003 x64.
>
> We need to go to new equipment which will run server 2008 and and keep
> exchange 2007 - I assume the active directory already have the
> exchange 2007
> schema?

You still have to prepare the schema for 2008. Should the Exchange server
stay on the 2003 or also move to 2008?

> As part of this the new servers need to be located in a new location
> 200kms
> away, we are think of rebuilding the original server a domain
> controller and
> leaving it in the old location.
> Given that the network between these locations may not exist for a
> few weeks and we need to have it all running in the new location on
> the 1st of July what is my best move forward?

Should there be a new domain in the remote location or should it be the same
domain in a new site? Please clarify that, sounds not clear for me. Maybe
you can point out how many servers will be in the main office and there roles/applications
and on the new site.

> Only theory I have come up with is build the servers in the old
> location
> using the new locations ip addresses (in a sub network so it looks
> like its
> in the new location)
> Add a an active directory server, install new exchange server, migrate
> emails then transport it all to new location once the network between
> them
> exists.
> Is this the only way? I'd like there to be a better way

You can prepare them in the main office without any problem as you described,
but keep the tombstone lifetime in mind. You should replicate before you
are out.

For shipping and long-term disconnection see also this articles:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc782557.aspx

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc786630.aspx
Re: Moving domain and exchange [message #156151 is a reply to message #156102] Thu, 11 June 2009 02:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Hill  is currently offline Chris Hill
Messages: 4
Registered: June 2009
Junior Member
Thanks Guys,
Can I build the new exchange and dc in the old office ip range and move them
and change ips or do I need to create a sub network in the old office??

"Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" wrote:

> Hello Chris,
>
> See inline.
>
> Best regards
>
> Meinolf Weber
> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
> no rights.
> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>
>
> > We have a project where we have an existing machine which is a domain
> > controller and a machine which is an exchange 2007 server. i believe
> > the exchange server is running on server 2003 x64.
> >
> > We need to go to new equipment which will run server 2008 and and keep
> > exchange 2007 - I assume the active directory already have the
> > exchange 2007
> > schema?
>
> You still have to prepare the schema for 2008. Should the Exchange server
> stay on the 2003 or also move to 2008?
>
> > As part of this the new servers need to be located in a new location
> > 200kms
> > away, we are think of rebuilding the original server a domain
> > controller and
> > leaving it in the old location.
> > Given that the network between these locations may not exist for a
> > few weeks and we need to have it all running in the new location on
> > the 1st of July what is my best move forward?
>
> Should there be a new domain in the remote location or should it be the same
> domain in a new site? Please clarify that, sounds not clear for me. Maybe
> you can point out how many servers will be in the main office and there roles/applications
> and on the new site.
>
> > Only theory I have come up with is build the servers in the old
> > location
> > using the new locations ip addresses (in a sub network so it looks
> > like its
> > in the new location)
> > Add a an active directory server, install new exchange server, migrate
> > emails then transport it all to new location once the network between
> > them
> > exists.
> > Is this the only way? I'd like there to be a better way
>
> You can prepare them in the main office without any problem as you described,
> but keep the tombstone lifetime in mind. You should replicate before you
> are out.
>
> For shipping and long-term disconnection see also this articles:
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc782557.aspx
>
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc786630.aspx
>
>
>
Re: Moving domain and exchange [message #156153 is a reply to message #156074] Thu, 11 June 2009 05:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Hill  is currently offline Chris Hill
Messages: 4
Registered: June 2009
Junior Member
Yes you are correct a single domain should exist after the job.

"Florian Frommherz [MVP]" wrote:

> Chris,
>
> Chris Hill schrieb:
> > We need to go to new equipment which will run server 2008 and and keep
> > exchange 2007 - I assume the active directory already have the exchange 2007
> > schema?
>
> Actually not. You'll need to incorporate the schema change to the
> directory. AD doesn't ship the Exchange schema, it never has. So you'll
> need to run a schema prep first.
>
> > Given that the network between these locations may not exist for a few
> > weeks and we need to have it all running in the new location on the 1st of
> > July what is my best move forward?
> >
> > Only theory I have come up with is build the servers in the old location
> > using the new locations ip addresses (in a sub network so it looks like its
> > in the new location)
> > Add a an active directory server, install new exchange server, migrate
> > emails then transport it all to new location once the network between them
> > exists.
> >
> > Is this the only way? I'd like there to be a better way
>
> Can you elaborate more on how the end result should look like? Are those
> two locations and the DCs and Exchange servers therein work as a single
> domain? Will the old location stay so that, once the connectivity
> between the two sites is given, replication needs to take place?
>
> Assuming that, your best approach is to set up the two servers in the
> old location. Ensure that replication is working on the DCs and stuff.
> Then move the servers. Since replication won't work between the two
> sites due to connectivity failing, I suggest you keep the administrative
> change to both DC to a minimum. Once the connection is up, let the DCs
> replicate.
>
> Remember the tombstone lifetime when having the systems disconnected.
> Check what tombstone lifetime length you have
> http://www.petri.co.il/changing_the_tombstone_lifetime_windo ws_ad.htm.
> Re-Connecting the two DCs within this lifetime is important.
>
> Cheers,
> Florian
> --
> Microsoft MVP - Group Policy
> eMail: prename [at] frickelsoft [dot] net.
> blog: http://www.frickelsoft.net/blog.
> Maillist (german): http://frickelsoft.net/cms/index.php?page=mailingliste
>
Re: Moving domain and exchange [message #156169 is a reply to message #156151] Thu, 11 June 2009 09:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
meiweb(nospam)  is currently offline meiweb(nospam)  Germany
Messages: 1307
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Senior Member
Hello Chris,

The question for me is, will the old office stay? Or do you move complete
to the new location and the old servers will be demoted/removed from the
domain? You can of course built everything in the current ip range and change
ip addresses later on. But make sure that after change all systems are correct
registered in DNS.

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
no rights.
** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm


> Thanks Guys,
> Can I build the new exchange and dc in the old office ip range and
> move them
> and change ips or do I need to create a sub network in the old
> office??
> "Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" wrote:
>
>> Hello Chris,
>>
>> See inline.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Meinolf Weber
>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
>> confers
>> no rights.
>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>>> We have a project where we have an existing machine which is a
>>> domain controller and a machine which is an exchange 2007 server. i
>>> believe the exchange server is running on server 2003 x64.
>>>
>>> We need to go to new equipment which will run server 2008 and and
>>> keep
>>> exchange 2007 - I assume the active directory already have the
>>> exchange 2007
>>> schema?
>> You still have to prepare the schema for 2008. Should the Exchange
>> server stay on the 2003 or also move to 2008?
>>
>>> As part of this the new servers need to be located in a new location
>>> 200kms
>>> away, we are think of rebuilding the original server a domain
>>> controller and
>>> leaving it in the old location.
>>> Given that the network between these locations may not exist for a
>>> few weeks and we need to have it all running in the new location on
>>> the 1st of July what is my best move forward?
>> Should there be a new domain in the remote location or should it be
>> the same domain in a new site? Please clarify that, sounds not clear
>> for me. Maybe you can point out how many servers will be in the main
>> office and there roles/applications and on the new site.
>>
>>> Only theory I have come up with is build the servers in the old
>>> location
>>> using the new locations ip addresses (in a sub network so it looks
>>> like its
>>> in the new location)
>>> Add a an active directory server, install new exchange server,
>>> migrate
>>> emails then transport it all to new location once the network
>>> between
>>> them
>>> exists.
>>> Is this the only way? I'd like there to be a better way
>> You can prepare them in the main office without any problem as you
>> described, but keep the tombstone lifetime in mind. You should
>> replicate before you are out.
>>
>> For shipping and long-term disconnection see also this articles:
>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc782557.aspx
>>
>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc786630.aspx
>>
Re: Moving domain and exchange [message #156214 is a reply to message #156169] Thu, 11 June 2009 19:25 Go to previous message
Chris Hill  is currently offline Chris Hill
Messages: 4
Registered: June 2009
Junior Member
Yes the old office stays and aim is to keep a dc there, just moving the
exchange server and some terminal servers to a data centre

"Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" wrote:

> Hello Chris,
>
> The question for me is, will the old office stay? Or do you move complete
> to the new location and the old servers will be demoted/removed from the
> domain? You can of course built everything in the current ip range and change
> ip addresses later on. But make sure that after change all systems are correct
> registered in DNS.
>
> Best regards
>
> Meinolf Weber
> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
> no rights.
> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>
>
> > Thanks Guys,
> > Can I build the new exchange and dc in the old office ip range and
> > move them
> > and change ips or do I need to create a sub network in the old
> > office??
> > "Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Chris,
> >>
> >> See inline.
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >>
> >> Meinolf Weber
> >> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> >> confers
> >> no rights.
> >> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> >> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
> >>> We have a project where we have an existing machine which is a
> >>> domain controller and a machine which is an exchange 2007 server. i
> >>> believe the exchange server is running on server 2003 x64.
> >>>
> >>> We need to go to new equipment which will run server 2008 and and
> >>> keep
> >>> exchange 2007 - I assume the active directory already have the
> >>> exchange 2007
> >>> schema?
> >> You still have to prepare the schema for 2008. Should the Exchange
> >> server stay on the 2003 or also move to 2008?
> >>
> >>> As part of this the new servers need to be located in a new location
> >>> 200kms
> >>> away, we are think of rebuilding the original server a domain
> >>> controller and
> >>> leaving it in the old location.
> >>> Given that the network between these locations may not exist for a
> >>> few weeks and we need to have it all running in the new location on
> >>> the 1st of July what is my best move forward?
> >> Should there be a new domain in the remote location or should it be
> >> the same domain in a new site? Please clarify that, sounds not clear
> >> for me. Maybe you can point out how many servers will be in the main
> >> office and there roles/applications and on the new site.
> >>
> >>> Only theory I have come up with is build the servers in the old
> >>> location
> >>> using the new locations ip addresses (in a sub network so it looks
> >>> like its
> >>> in the new location)
> >>> Add a an active directory server, install new exchange server,
> >>> migrate
> >>> emails then transport it all to new location once the network
> >>> between
> >>> them
> >>> exists.
> >>> Is this the only way? I'd like there to be a better way
> >> You can prepare them in the main office without any problem as you
> >> described, but keep the tombstone lifetime in mind. You should
> >> replicate before you are out.
> >>
> >> For shipping and long-term disconnection see also this articles:
> >> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc782557.aspx
> >>
> >> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc786630.aspx
> >>
>
>
>
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