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PC joining domain [message #157591] Thu, 09 July 2009 11:28 Go to next message
obnetadmin  is currently offline obnetadmin
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I have a single forest single domain Windows Server 2003 environment. I
recently had to remove a DC from the domain "ungracefully". Now when a PC
joins the domain, you have to specify the full NETBIOS domain name (i.e.
"obps.local" as opposed to "obps"). In the past I have always been able to
join the domain with just the latter. Any ideas?
Re: PC joining domain [message #157603 is a reply to message #157591] Thu, 09 July 2009 15:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Marcin  is currently offline Marcin  United States
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Make sure you remove references to old domain controller from AD (as per
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=216498) and DNS

hth
Marcin

"obnetadmin" <obnetadmin@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>I have a single forest single domain Windows Server 2003 environment. I
> recently had to remove a DC from the domain "ungracefully". Now when a PC
> joins the domain, you have to specify the full NETBIOS domain name (i.e.
> "obps.local" as opposed to "obps"). In the past I have always been able to
> join the domain with just the latter. Any ideas?
Re: PC joining domain [message #157611 is a reply to message #157591] Thu, 09 July 2009 17:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Andrei Ungureanu  is currently offline Andrei Ungureanu  Romania
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Have you seized the FSMO roles? Have you did a metadata cleanup of the
removed DC?
Can be a problem with the PDC role.

Andrei Ungureanu
www.itboard.ro

"obnetadmin" <obnetadmin@discussions.microsoft.com> a scris în mesaj
news:FBD5B80C-28CB-4892-8B18-74258C4E0813@microsoft.com...
> I have a single forest single domain Windows Server 2003 environment. I
> recently had to remove a DC from the domain "ungracefully". Now when a PC
> joins the domain, you have to specify the full NETBIOS domain name (i.e.
> "obps.local" as opposed to "obps"). In the past I have always been able to
> join the domain with just the latter. Any ideas?
Re: PC joining domain [message #157615 is a reply to message #157591] Thu, 09 July 2009 17:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
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"obnetadmin" <obnetadmin@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:FBD5B80C-28CB-4892-8B18-74258C4E0813@microsoft.com...
>I have a single forest single domain Windows Server 2003 environment. I
> recently had to remove a DC from the domain "ungracefully". Now when a PC
> joins the domain, you have to specify the full NETBIOS domain name (i.e.
> "obps.local" as opposed to "obps"). In the past I have always been able to
> join the domain with just the latter. Any ideas?


Just to straighten out the terminology, the name, "obps.local," is actually the FQDN domain name, not the NetBIOS name. The NetBIOS name is "OBPS" in your case.

If you now can't use the NetBIOS name, was the lost DC a WINS server? If so, is it's reference to WINS in the client machine's IP config, assuming the client obtained an IP from DHCP?

Also, as the others asked, did you perform a Metadata Cleanup to remove the old DC reference, as well as seize the roles?


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Re: PC joining domain [message #157624 is a reply to message #157591] Fri, 10 July 2009 01:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
markdmac  is currently offline markdmac  United States
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As has already been suggested, it sounds like you might need to do some
metadata cleanup. I would suggest you grab the metadata cleanup script
in my FAQ http://www.tek-tips.com/faqs.cfm?fid=4733. This script was
written by a Microsoft employee and will simplify the cleanup process.
The script does NOT cleanup DNS, you will need to do that manually.

Hope that helps,

Mark D. MacLachlan
Re: PC joining domain [message #157627 is a reply to message #157591] Fri, 10 July 2009 02:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
meiweb(nospam)  is currently offline meiweb(nospam)  Germany
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Hello obnetadmin,

If you loose a DC without demoting you have to do some steps to remove it
complete from the AD database, DNS zones, AD sites and services:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555846/en-us

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
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> I have a single forest single domain Windows Server 2003 environment.
> I recently had to remove a DC from the domain "ungracefully". Now when
> a PC joins the domain, you have to specify the full NETBIOS domain
> name (i.e. "obps.local" as opposed to "obps"). In the past I have
> always been able to join the domain with just the latter. Any ideas?
>
Re: PC joining domain [message #157659 is a reply to message #157627] Fri, 10 July 2009 17:30 Go to previous message
Garry Starck-MCITP En  is currently offline Garry Starck-MCITP En
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Hi obnetadmin

I agree with the facts that you need to follow the steps to NTDSUTIL it out,
but I think Ace is right on the money, DC's register 1C (DC records) on WINS
for the domain they serve. Use NBTSTAT -n to view if the PC's are resolving
1C records as per you netbios domain name - You will get a similar looking
format:

NetBIOS Local Name Table

Name Type Status
---------------------------------------------
GMSABASEXP <00> UNIQUE Registered
GMSABASEXP <20> UNIQUE Registered
MSHOME <00> GROUP Registered
MSHOME <1E> GROUP Registered
SPARX <1C> GROUP Registered (ALL you DC's register 1C's)
SPARX <1B> UNIQUE Registered (Only the PDC Emulator reg's
1B)

Regards
--
Garry Starck
MCITP Enterprise Administrator, MCTS AD, MCSE 2003 Messaging, MCDBA


"Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" wrote:

> Hello obnetadmin,
>
> If you loose a DC without demoting you have to do some steps to remove it
> complete from the AD database, DNS zones, AD sites and services:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555846/en-us
>
> Best regards
>
> Meinolf Weber
> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
> no rights.
> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>
>
> > I have a single forest single domain Windows Server 2003 environment.
> > I recently had to remove a DC from the domain "ungracefully". Now when
> > a PC joins the domain, you have to specify the full NETBIOS domain
> > name (i.e. "obps.local" as opposed to "obps"). In the past I have
> > always been able to join the domain with just the latter. Any ideas?
> >
>
>
>
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