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A question from book "Inside W2k3 Server" [message #160403] Wed, 26 August 2009 22:01 Go to next message
Tao Lei  is currently offline Tao Lei  China
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Hello.

I'm reading your "Inside Windows 2003 Server.
But there is a place which I don't understand, I hope you could
give some prompt.

"Chapter 13"
"Using Groups to Manage Active Directory Objects"
"Procedure 13.5 Functional Description of User and Group
Validation Across Domains Using Universal Group"
"Step 5"
"It does not find the Global group membership in either of these
locations; therefore it does not discover the Universal group that is
a member of the Global group."

This sentence makes me puzzled. Can Universal group be a member of
the Global group?

Has anyone also read this book and know this, please?


Thank you.
Re: A question from book "Inside W2k3 Server" [message #160405 is a reply to message #160403] Thu, 27 August 2009 00:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
florian  is currently offline florian  Germany
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Howdie!

Tao Lei schrieb:
> "It does not find the Global group membership in either of these
> locations; therefore it does not discover the Universal group that is
> a member of the Global group."
>
> This sentence makes me puzzled. Can Universal group be a member of
> the Global group?

Hum, that puzzles me too. Have you checked the book's website whether
this is a known bug? I can imagine this is meant the other way 'round:
if global groups are members of the universal groups, they can't be
discovered in the absence of a GC on logon.

Cheers,
Florian
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Re: A question from book "Inside W2k3 Server" [message #160411 is a reply to message #160405] Thu, 27 August 2009 06:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tao Lei  is currently offline Tao Lei  China
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Hello, Florian.

I tried sending mail to the author (William Boswell), but the mailbox is not
available.
I don't know whether there is a website for this book.
.......


"Florian Frommherz [MVP]" <florian@frickelsoft.DELETETHIS.net> wrote
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> Howdie!
>
> Tao Lei schrieb:
>> "It does not find the Global group membership in either of these
>> locations; therefore it does not discover the Universal group that is
>> a member of the Global group."
>>
>> This sentence makes me puzzled. Can Universal group be a member of
>> the Global group?
>
> Hum, that puzzles me too. Have you checked the book's website whether this
> is a known bug? I can imagine this is meant the other way 'round: if
> global groups are members of the universal groups, they can't be
> discovered in the absence of a GC on logon.
>
> Cheers,
> Florian
> --
> Microsoft MVP - Group Policy
> eMail: prename [at] frickelsoft [dot] net.
> blog: http://www.frickelsoft.net/blog.
> Maillist (german): http://frickelsoft.net/cms/index.php?page=mailingliste
Re: A question from book "Inside W2k3 Server" [message #160416 is a reply to message #160411] Thu, 27 August 2009 08:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
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"Tao Lei" <worldwidestar@sina.com.cn> wrote in message
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> Hello, Florian.
>
> I tried sending mail to the author (William Boswell), but the mailbox is
> not available.
> I don't know whether there is a website for this book.
> ......
>

I would be curious what the author's response would be, too. The basic rule
is the AGGUDLP rule, where you can Add a user to a Global group, then
add/nest that into anotehr Global group, add it to a Universal, then add
that to a Domain Local group, but not in reverse order.

Maybe as Florian said, the author may have quoted it accidentally the other
way around?

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Re: A question from book "Inside W2k3 Server" [message #160429 is a reply to message #160416] Thu, 27 August 2009 13:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
pbbergs  is currently offline pbbergs  United States
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I have rad more than my fair share of technical books and find plenty of
errors. It is really difficult to not. The level of complexity is quite
high and to not error (In my opinion) would be surprising. Figure out what
the author intended and just accept it as a learning experience

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Paul Bergson
MVP - Directory Services
MCTS, MCT, MCSE, MCSA, Security+, BS CSci
2008, 2003, 2000 (Early Achiever), NT4
Microsoft's Thrive IT Pro of the Month - June 2009

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"Ace Fekay [MCT]" <aceman@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org> wrote in message
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> "Tao Lei" <worldwidestar@sina.com.cn> wrote in message
> news:%23g8OlMxJKHA.4432@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Hello, Florian.
>>
>> I tried sending mail to the author (William Boswell), but the mailbox is
>> not available.
>> I don't know whether there is a website for this book.
>> ......
>>
>
> I would be curious what the author's response would be, too. The basic
> rule is the AGGUDLP rule, where you can Add a user to a Global group, then
> add/nest that into anotehr Global group, add it to a Universal, then add
> that to a Domain Local group, but not in reverse order.
>
> Maybe as Florian said, the author may have quoted it accidentally the
> other way around?
>
> --
> Ace
>
> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
> confers no rights.
>
> Please reply back to the newsgroup or forum for collaboration benefit
> among responding engineers, and to help others benefit from your
> resolution.
>
> Ace Fekay, MCT, MCTS Exchange, MCSE, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA Messaging
> Microsoft Certified Trainer
>
> For urgent issues, please contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please check
> http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers.
>
Re: A question from book "Inside W2k3 Server" [message #160432 is a reply to message #160429] Thu, 27 August 2009 16:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
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"Paul Bergson [MVP-DS]" <pbbergs@no_spammsn.com> wrote in message
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>I have rad more than my fair share of technical books and find plenty of
>errors. It is really difficult to not. The level of complexity is quite
>high and to not error (In my opinion) would be surprising. Figure out what
>the author intended and just accept it as a learning experience
>

Good point. Many technical manuals and books do have errors, including
automotive and truck manuals.

Ace
Re: A question from book "Inside W2k3 Server" [message #160449 is a reply to message #160432] Fri, 28 August 2009 06:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tao Lei  is currently offline Tao Lei  China
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Thank everyone.
So, it may be an erratum, or, at least, I need not doubt my understanding.
I can go on with reading the book with confidence.


"Ace Fekay [MCT]" <aceman@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org> wrote
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> "Paul Bergson [MVP-DS]" <pbbergs@no_spammsn.com> wrote in message
> news:edFMvm0JKHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>I have rad more than my fair share of technical books and find plenty of
>>errors. It is really difficult to not. The level of complexity is quite
>>high and to not error (In my opinion) would be surprising. Figure out
>>what the author intended and just accept it as a learning experience
>>
>
> Good point. Many technical manuals and books do have errors, including
> automotive and truck manuals.
>
> Ace
Re: A question from book "Inside W2k3 Server" [message #160455 is a reply to message #160449] Fri, 28 August 2009 09:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
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"Tao Lei" <worldwidestar@sina.com.cn> wrote in message
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> Thank everyone.
> So, it may be an erratum, or, at least, I need not doubt my understanding.
> I can go on with reading the book with confidence.
>


As for that point, yes, it appears to be in error, or just transposed. As
for the rest of the book, I've never read it, so I can't vouch for it.

Ace
Re: A question from book "Inside W2k3 Server" [message #160460 is a reply to message #160455] Fri, 28 August 2009 14:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
pbbergs  is currently offline pbbergs  United States
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I just finished reading a new release of a book, which I won't disclose but
it was horribly edit checked. Normally I feel for anyone writing a book
since there is so much material to cover, but the errors in editting and the
amount of incorrect information was astounding. I have never rated a book
on Amazon.com before but I felt it was appropriate to point out how flawed
this book was.

--
Paul Bergson
MVP - Directory Services
MCTS, MCT, MCSE, MCSA, Security+, BS CSci
2008, 2003, 2000 (Early Achiever), NT4
Microsoft's Thrive IT Pro of the Month - June 2009

http://www.pbbergs.com

Please no e-mails, any questions should be posted in the NewsGroup This
posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"Ace Fekay [MCT]" <aceman@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org> wrote in message
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> "Tao Lei" <worldwidestar@sina.com.cn> wrote in message
> news:%23l%23p4w9JKHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Thank everyone.
>> So, it may be an erratum, or, at least, I need not doubt my
>> understanding.
>> I can go on with reading the book with confidence.
>>
>
>
> As for that point, yes, it appears to be in error, or just transposed. As
> for the rest of the book, I've never read it, so I can't vouch for it.
>
> Ace
Re: A question from book "Inside W2k3 Server" [message #160461 is a reply to message #160460] Fri, 28 August 2009 14:44 Go to previous message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
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"Paul Bergson [MVP-DS]" <pbbergs@no_spammsn.com> wrote in message
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>I just finished reading a new release of a book, which I won't disclose but
>it was horribly edit checked. Normally I feel for anyone writing a book
>since there is so much material to cover, but the errors in editting and
>the amount of incorrect information was astounding. I have never rated a
>book on Amazon.com before but I felt it was appropriate to point out how
>flawed this book was.
>

I helped with an AD book as a technical editor. I saw some minor syntax
errors that I commented with correction what I believe it should read as,
but overall the author had it correct. I only got through a few chapters and
had to give up due to my schedule. The book actually turned out pretty good,
because there were other technical editors reviewing it as well. It was a
good move for that publishing company to seek out technical editors to
insure accuracy. I don't think all publishing companies follow that
guideline.

I must give any author that takes upon a project of this magnitude the
benefit of the doubt and the deserved credit. Why would they'be have entered
it incorrectly? It could have been accidentally re-written by the
publisher's non-technical editors. The more technical editors that look at
it, the more accurate it is.

Ace
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