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Restore AD just from files, not from System State backup [message #161014] Sun, 13 September 2009 08:51 Go to next message
Ernie  is currently offline Ernie
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I do not have a System State backup, and I don't know if this can even be
done, but it's at least worth asking.

I have a complete image backup of the server files (SBS 2003), including the
entire \windows\system32\config directory. Is there any way at all to
"restore" that and bring the server back to its original state? I have the OS
reinstalled and service packed...

I completely understand how stupid I was not to do a system state backup,
and I really don't know if this is possible.

Thank you so much for even trying...

Ernie Lowell
Berkshire Data Solutions
Re: Restore AD just from files, not from System State backup [message #161016 is a reply to message #161014] Sun, 13 September 2009 09:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
meiweb  is currently offline meiweb  Germany
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Hello Ernie,

You can not restore a DC just from some files. You MUST have at least a system
state backup.

Using an image for backup is a not supported way.

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
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> I do not have a System State backup, and I don't know if this can even
> be done, but it's at least worth asking.
>
> I have a complete image backup of the server files (SBS 2003),
> including the entire \windows\system32\config directory. Is there any
> way at all to "restore" that and bring the server back to its original
> state? I have the OS reinstalled and service packed...
>
> I completely understand how stupid I was not to do a system state
> backup, and I really don't know if this is possible.
>
> Thank you so much for even trying...
>
> Ernie Lowell
> Berkshire Data Solutions
Re: Restore AD just from files, not from System State backup [message #161017 is a reply to message #161014] Sun, 13 September 2009 09:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
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"Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:85E6224E-1B8E-4090-9ED8-8FA20ED82B2F@microsoft.com...
>I do not have a System State backup, and I don't know if this can even be
> done, but it's at least worth asking.
>
> I have a complete image backup of the server files (SBS 2003), including
> the
> entire \windows\system32\config directory. Is there any way at all to
> "restore" that and bring the server back to its original state? I have the
> OS
> reinstalled and service packed...
>
> I completely understand how stupid I was not to do a system state backup,
> and I really don't know if this is possible.
>
> Thank you so much for even trying...
>
> Ernie Lowell
> Berkshire Data Solutions


When you said "image," does that mean it was created by using Ghost or some
other imaging software? If that's the case, no need to reinstall the OS,
rather just restore the image in a DOS or PE environment.

As Meinolf said, imaging is not supported, however if there is only one DC,
as with SBS, you may be able to get away with it, that is if imaging
software was used, however it's not guaranteed.

btw - I cross-posted this to the SBS group.


--
Ace

This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
confers no rights.

Please reply back to the newsgroup or forum for collaboration benefit among
responding engineers, and to help others benefit from your resolution.

Ace Fekay, MCT, MCTS Exchange, MCSE, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA Messaging
Microsoft Certified Trainer

For urgent issues, please contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please check
http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers.
Re: Restore AD just from files, not from System State backup [message #161018 is a reply to message #161017] Sun, 13 September 2009 09:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ernie  is currently offline Ernie
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The imaging software I used was ImageMaker (on the Ultimate Boot CD for
Windows), and further checking after the restoration didn't work discovered
that it doesn't work with boot partitions. I can recover the files themselves
from the image, but I can't restore the image itself.

There is only one DC, a single SBS server, all the other PCs on the network
are clients.

Thank you for responding so quickly.

"Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:

> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:85E6224E-1B8E-4090-9ED8-8FA20ED82B2F@microsoft.com...
> >I do not have a System State backup, and I don't know if this can even be
> > done, but it's at least worth asking.
> >
> > I have a complete image backup of the server files (SBS 2003), including
> > the
> > entire \windows\system32\config directory. Is there any way at all to
> > "restore" that and bring the server back to its original state? I have the
> > OS
> > reinstalled and service packed...
> >
> > I completely understand how stupid I was not to do a system state backup,
> > and I really don't know if this is possible.
> >
> > Thank you so much for even trying...
> >
> > Ernie Lowell
> > Berkshire Data Solutions
>
>
> When you said "image," does that mean it was created by using Ghost or some
> other imaging software? If that's the case, no need to reinstall the OS,
> rather just restore the image in a DOS or PE environment.
>
> As Meinolf said, imaging is not supported, however if there is only one DC,
> as with SBS, you may be able to get away with it, that is if imaging
> software was used, however it's not guaranteed.
>
> btw - I cross-posted this to the SBS group.
>
>
> --
> Ace
>
> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
> confers no rights.
>
> Please reply back to the newsgroup or forum for collaboration benefit among
> responding engineers, and to help others benefit from your resolution.
>
> Ace Fekay, MCT, MCTS Exchange, MCSE, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA Messaging
> Microsoft Certified Trainer
>
> For urgent issues, please contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please check
> http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers.
>
>
Re: Restore AD just from files, not from System State backup [message #161019 is a reply to message #161017] Sun, 13 September 2009 09:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
meiweb  is currently offline meiweb  Germany
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Hello Ace Fekay [MCT],

Even in SBS you can have multiple DCs and you will run into USN rollback
if that is the case

Additional you have to recreate any object since the day when the image was
taken. And if computers are over the 30 days with the machine account password
change, they have to be rejoined to the domain, if i am not wrong, which
can result in a problem when a SQL server is used for example.

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
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** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
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> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:85E6224E-1B8E-4090-9ED8-8FA20ED82B2F@microsoft.com...
>
>> I do not have a System State backup, and I don't know if this can
>> even be done, but it's at least worth asking.
>>
>> I have a complete image backup of the server files (SBS 2003),
>> including
>> the
>> entire \windows\system32\config directory. Is there any way at all to
>> "restore" that and bring the server back to its original state? I
>> have the
>> OS
>> reinstalled and service packed...
>> I completely understand how stupid I was not to do a system state
>> backup, and I really don't know if this is possible.
>>
>> Thank you so much for even trying...
>>
>> Ernie Lowell
>> Berkshire Data Solutions
> When you said "image," does that mean it was created by using Ghost or
> some other imaging software? If that's the case, no need to reinstall
> the OS, rather just restore the image in a DOS or PE environment.
>
> As Meinolf said, imaging is not supported, however if there is only
> one DC, as with SBS, you may be able to get away with it, that is if
> imaging software was used, however it's not guaranteed.
>
> btw - I cross-posted this to the SBS group.
>
> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
> confers no rights.
>
> Please reply back to the newsgroup or forum for collaboration benefit
> among responding engineers, and to help others benefit from your
> resolution.
>
> Ace Fekay, MCT, MCTS Exchange, MCSE, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA Messaging
> Microsoft Certified Trainer
>
> For urgent issues, please contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please check
> http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers.
>
Re: Restore AD just from files, not from System State backup [message #161020 is a reply to message #161019] Sun, 13 September 2009 10:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
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"Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" <meiweb@(nospam)gmx.de> wrote in message
news:6cb2911d57848cc02af38ed1ca3@msnews.microsoft.com...

True, that's why I said it's not guaranteed. USN rollbacks, journal wraps,
lots of things can happen.

Thanks!

:-)

Ace

> Hello Ace Fekay [MCT],
>
> Even in SBS you can have multiple DCs and you will run into USN rollback
> if that is the case
>
> Additional you have to recreate any object since the day when the image
> was taken. And if computers are over the 30 days with the machine account
> password change, they have to be rejoined to the domain, if i am not
> wrong, which can result in a problem when a SQL server is used for
> example.
>
> Best regards
>
> Meinolf Weber
> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> confers no rights.
> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>
>> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:85E6224E-1B8E-4090-9ED8-8FA20ED82B2F@microsoft.com...
>>
>>> I do not have a System State backup, and I don't know if this can
>>> even be done, but it's at least worth asking.
>>>
>>> I have a complete image backup of the server files (SBS 2003),
>>> including
>>> the
>>> entire \windows\system32\config directory. Is there any way at all to
>>> "restore" that and bring the server back to its original state? I
>>> have the
>>> OS
>>> reinstalled and service packed...
>>> I completely understand how stupid I was not to do a system state
>>> backup, and I really don't know if this is possible.
>>>
>>> Thank you so much for even trying...
>>>
>>> Ernie Lowell
>>> Berkshire Data Solutions
>> When you said "image," does that mean it was created by using Ghost or
>> some other imaging software? If that's the case, no need to reinstall
>> the OS, rather just restore the image in a DOS or PE environment.
>>
>> As Meinolf said, imaging is not supported, however if there is only
>> one DC, as with SBS, you may be able to get away with it, that is if
>> imaging software was used, however it's not guaranteed.
>>
>> btw - I cross-posted this to the SBS group.
>>
>> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
>> confers no rights.
>>
>> Please reply back to the newsgroup or forum for collaboration benefit
>> among responding engineers, and to help others benefit from your
>> resolution.
>>
>> Ace Fekay, MCT, MCTS Exchange, MCSE, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA Messaging
>> Microsoft Certified Trainer
>>
>> For urgent issues, please contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please check
>> http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers.
>>
>
>
Re: Restore AD just from files, not from System State backup [message #161021 is a reply to message #161018] Sun, 13 September 2009 11:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
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"Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5C2ACEAA-F3AB-4E84-9FA4-C04F9FB89769@microsoft.com...

Doesn't work for boot partitions? I've never used ImageMaker, but odd that
it won't work that way. What type of error did you get? What do the docs say
about restoring a boot partition?

Just a thought...
I would imagine you can install Windows on one drive, (using the parallel
installation method), shutdown, then plug the drive you want to use into the
machine, then copy the data from the image onto it. Then unplug the main
drive, then change the jumpers (if SCSI), or plug it into the primary IDE
connector (make it master), then run Windows repair to make it bootable
again.

Ace

> The imaging software I used was ImageMaker (on the Ultimate Boot CD for
> Windows), and further checking after the restoration didn't work
> discovered
> that it doesn't work with boot partitions. I can recover the files
> themselves
> from the image, but I can't restore the image itself.
>
> There is only one DC, a single SBS server, all the other PCs on the
> network
> are clients.
>
> Thank you for responding so quickly.
>
> "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
>
>> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:85E6224E-1B8E-4090-9ED8-8FA20ED82B2F@microsoft.com...
>> >I do not have a System State backup, and I don't know if this can even
>> >be
>> > done, but it's at least worth asking.
>> >
>> > I have a complete image backup of the server files (SBS 2003),
>> > including
>> > the
>> > entire \windows\system32\config directory. Is there any way at all to
>> > "restore" that and bring the server back to its original state? I have
>> > the
>> > OS
>> > reinstalled and service packed...
>> >
>> > I completely understand how stupid I was not to do a system state
>> > backup,
>> > and I really don't know if this is possible.
>> >
>> > Thank you so much for even trying...
>> >
>> > Ernie Lowell
>> > Berkshire Data Solutions
>>
>>
>> When you said "image," does that mean it was created by using Ghost or
>> some
>> other imaging software? If that's the case, no need to reinstall the OS,
>> rather just restore the image in a DOS or PE environment.
>>
>> As Meinolf said, imaging is not supported, however if there is only one
>> DC,
>> as with SBS, you may be able to get away with it, that is if imaging
>> software was used, however it's not guaranteed.
>>
>> btw - I cross-posted this to the SBS group.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ace
>>
>> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
>> confers no rights.
>>
>> Please reply back to the newsgroup or forum for collaboration benefit
>> among
>> responding engineers, and to help others benefit from your resolution.
>>
>> Ace Fekay, MCT, MCTS Exchange, MCSE, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA Messaging
>> Microsoft Certified Trainer
>>
>> For urgent issues, please contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please check
>> http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers.
>>
>>
Re: Restore AD just from files, not from System State backup [message #161024 is a reply to message #161021] Sun, 13 September 2009 13:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ernie  is currently offline Ernie
Messages: 26
Registered: September 2009
Junior Member
It's a freeware product, and says it is perfect for replacing hard drives
with larger ones. There was no error, per se, just the system wouldn't boot
(black screen with cursor blinking remorselessy in upper left corner).
Looking on the forum for UBCD4Win, others have had the same issue. It appears
that the software puts a header on the image file, so the boot sector is not
going to appear in the right place.

I don't know enough about messing with that to fix it.

I have another tool (WinImage) that can read the image file and restore data
from it, so I've got SBS 2003 reinstalled and built up, and all the data back
where it should be, but the AD is toast and will be painful to rebuild.

Once again, I sincerely appreciate your efforts. It's already been a long
long weekend... and this upcoming Monday is not looking too exciting either.

Ernie

"Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:

> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:5C2ACEAA-F3AB-4E84-9FA4-C04F9FB89769@microsoft.com...
>
> Doesn't work for boot partitions? I've never used ImageMaker, but odd that
> it won't work that way. What type of error did you get? What do the docs say
> about restoring a boot partition?
>
> Just a thought...
> I would imagine you can install Windows on one drive, (using the parallel
> installation method), shutdown, then plug the drive you want to use into the
> machine, then copy the data from the image onto it. Then unplug the main
> drive, then change the jumpers (if SCSI), or plug it into the primary IDE
> connector (make it master), then run Windows repair to make it bootable
> again.
>
> Ace
>
> > The imaging software I used was ImageMaker (on the Ultimate Boot CD for
> > Windows), and further checking after the restoration didn't work
> > discovered
> > that it doesn't work with boot partitions. I can recover the files
> > themselves
> > from the image, but I can't restore the image itself.
> >
> > There is only one DC, a single SBS server, all the other PCs on the
> > network
> > are clients.
> >
> > Thank you for responding so quickly.
> >
> > "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
> >
> >> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:85E6224E-1B8E-4090-9ED8-8FA20ED82B2F@microsoft.com...
> >> >I do not have a System State backup, and I don't know if this can even
> >> >be
> >> > done, but it's at least worth asking.
> >> >
> >> > I have a complete image backup of the server files (SBS 2003),
> >> > including
> >> > the
> >> > entire \windows\system32\config directory. Is there any way at all to
> >> > "restore" that and bring the server back to its original state? I have
> >> > the
> >> > OS
> >> > reinstalled and service packed...
> >> >
> >> > I completely understand how stupid I was not to do a system state
> >> > backup,
> >> > and I really don't know if this is possible.
> >> >
> >> > Thank you so much for even trying...
> >> >
> >> > Ernie Lowell
> >> > Berkshire Data Solutions
> >>
> >>
> >> When you said "image," does that mean it was created by using Ghost or
> >> some
> >> other imaging software? If that's the case, no need to reinstall the OS,
> >> rather just restore the image in a DOS or PE environment.
> >>
> >> As Meinolf said, imaging is not supported, however if there is only one
> >> DC,
> >> as with SBS, you may be able to get away with it, that is if imaging
> >> software was used, however it's not guaranteed.
> >>
> >> btw - I cross-posted this to the SBS group.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ace
> >>
> >> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
> >> confers no rights.
> >>
> >> Please reply back to the newsgroup or forum for collaboration benefit
> >> among
> >> responding engineers, and to help others benefit from your resolution.
> >>
> >> Ace Fekay, MCT, MCTS Exchange, MCSE, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA Messaging
> >> Microsoft Certified Trainer
> >>
> >> For urgent issues, please contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please check
> >> http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers.
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
Re: Restore AD just from files, not from System State backup [message #161025 is a reply to message #161024] Sun, 13 September 2009 13:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mwport  is currently offline mwport  United States
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Did you restore to the original drive (from which the image was made)? The
thread I found in UBCD4Win seems to indicate that you should be able to
restore to the same size drive, just not one of a different size.

Need help Creates image fine, won't restore image
http://ubcd4win.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2833&view= &hl=imagemaker&fromsearch=1

--
Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
============================


"Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2D771D9C-6DF0-49F1-A0F2-1309C7F9BB49@microsoft.com...
> It's a freeware product, and says it is perfect for replacing hard drives
> with larger ones. There was no error, per se, just the system wouldn't
> boot
> (black screen with cursor blinking remorselessy in upper left corner).
> Looking on the forum for UBCD4Win, others have had the same issue. It
> appears
> that the software puts a header on the image file, so the boot sector is
> not
> going to appear in the right place.
>
> I don't know enough about messing with that to fix it.
>
> I have another tool (WinImage) that can read the image file and restore
> data
> from it, so I've got SBS 2003 reinstalled and built up, and all the data
> back
> where it should be, but the AD is toast and will be painful to rebuild.
>
> Once again, I sincerely appreciate your efforts. It's already been a long
> long weekend... and this upcoming Monday is not looking too exciting
> either.
>
> Ernie
>
> "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
>
>> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:5C2ACEAA-F3AB-4E84-9FA4-C04F9FB89769@microsoft.com...
>>
>> Doesn't work for boot partitions? I've never used ImageMaker, but odd
>> that
>> it won't work that way. What type of error did you get? What do the docs
>> say
>> about restoring a boot partition?
>>
>> Just a thought...
>> I would imagine you can install Windows on one drive, (using the parallel
>> installation method), shutdown, then plug the drive you want to use into
>> the
>> machine, then copy the data from the image onto it. Then unplug the main
>> drive, then change the jumpers (if SCSI), or plug it into the primary IDE
>> connector (make it master), then run Windows repair to make it bootable
>> again.
>>
>> Ace
>>
>> > The imaging software I used was ImageMaker (on the Ultimate Boot CD for
>> > Windows), and further checking after the restoration didn't work
>> > discovered
>> > that it doesn't work with boot partitions. I can recover the files
>> > themselves
>> > from the image, but I can't restore the image itself.
>> >
>> > There is only one DC, a single SBS server, all the other PCs on the
>> > network
>> > are clients.
>> >
>> > Thank you for responding so quickly.
>> >
>> > "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:85E6224E-1B8E-4090-9ED8-8FA20ED82B2F@microsoft.com...
>> >> >I do not have a System State backup, and I don't know if this can
>> >> >even
>> >> >be
>> >> > done, but it's at least worth asking.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have a complete image backup of the server files (SBS 2003),
>> >> > including
>> >> > the
>> >> > entire \windows\system32\config directory. Is there any way at all
>> >> > to
>> >> > "restore" that and bring the server back to its original state? I
>> >> > have
>> >> > the
>> >> > OS
>> >> > reinstalled and service packed...
>> >> >
>> >> > I completely understand how stupid I was not to do a system state
>> >> > backup,
>> >> > and I really don't know if this is possible.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank you so much for even trying...
>> >> >
>> >> > Ernie Lowell
>> >> > Berkshire Data Solutions
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> When you said "image," does that mean it was created by using Ghost or
>> >> some
>> >> other imaging software? If that's the case, no need to reinstall the
>> >> OS,
>> >> rather just restore the image in a DOS or PE environment.
>> >>
>> >> As Meinolf said, imaging is not supported, however if there is only
>> >> one
>> >> DC,
>> >> as with SBS, you may be able to get away with it, that is if imaging
>> >> software was used, however it's not guaranteed.
>> >>
>> >> btw - I cross-posted this to the SBS group.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Ace
>> >>
>> >> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
>> >> confers no rights.
>> >>
>> >> Please reply back to the newsgroup or forum for collaboration benefit
>> >> among
>> >> responding engineers, and to help others benefit from your resolution.
>> >>
>> >> Ace Fekay, MCT, MCTS Exchange, MCSE, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA Messaging
>> >> Microsoft Certified Trainer
>> >>
>> >> For urgent issues, please contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please check
>> >> http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers.
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
Re: Restore AD just from files, not from System State backup [message #161026 is a reply to message #161025] Sun, 13 September 2009 14:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
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"Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]" <mwport@no_spam_hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uDBL3sKNKHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Did you restore to the original drive (from which the image was made)?
> The thread I found in UBCD4Win seems to indicate that you should be able
> to restore to the same size drive, just not one of a different size.
>
> Need help Creates image fine, won't restore image
> http://ubcd4win.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2833&view= &hl=imagemaker&fromsearch=1
>
> --
> Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
> ============================

I was going to add that after restoring the image, and being unbootable, to
try a Windows installation repair/restore, however after reading that
thread, it appears this utility puts its its own 512 byte sector as the
first sector, and bumps the MBR to #2. So even if you tried a Windows
repair, it won't be able to find the OS.

It doesn't make sense, and I wonder what the author was thinking when
writing it. Maybe there's something else thats limited elsewhere that caused
the author to write it that way?

Ace
Re: Restore AD just from files, not from System State backup [message #161027 is a reply to message #161026] Sun, 13 September 2009 14:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mwport  is currently offline mwport  United States
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Not sure, may be a Linux thing. I wonder if this would work: boot from SBS
CD1 and then go into Repair and then issue FixMBR command?

--
Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
============================

"Ace Fekay [MCT]" <aceman@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org> wrote in message
news:e0G%23c4KNKHA.352@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> "Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]" <mwport@no_spam_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uDBL3sKNKHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Did you restore to the original drive (from which the image was made)?
>> The thread I found in UBCD4Win seems to indicate that you should be able
>> to restore to the same size drive, just not one of a different size.
>>
>> Need help Creates image fine, won't restore image
>> http://ubcd4win.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2833&view= &hl=imagemaker&fromsearch=1
>>
>> --
>> Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
>> ============================
>
> I was going to add that after restoring the image, and being unbootable,
> to try a Windows installation repair/restore, however after reading that
> thread, it appears this utility puts its its own 512 byte sector as the
> first sector, and bumps the MBR to #2. So even if you tried a Windows
> repair, it won't be able to find the OS.
>
> It doesn't make sense, and I wonder what the author was thinking when
> writing it. Maybe there's something else thats limited elsewhere that
> caused the author to write it that way?
>
> Ace
>
>
Re: Restore AD just from files, not from System State backup [message #161028 is a reply to message #161027] Sun, 13 September 2009 17:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
Messages: 5816
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
"Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]" <mwport@no_spam_hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23UG8uBLNKHA.508@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

It may just fix it, that is if the Windows repair will remove that first
sector and replace it with a correct MBR.

Ace

> Not sure, may be a Linux thing. I wonder if this would work: boot from
> SBS CD1 and then go into Repair and then issue FixMBR command?
>
> --
> Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
> ============================
>
> "Ace Fekay [MCT]" <aceman@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org> wrote in message
> news:e0G%23c4KNKHA.352@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> "Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]" <mwport@no_spam_hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:uDBL3sKNKHA.5108@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Did you restore to the original drive (from which the image was made)?
>>> The thread I found in UBCD4Win seems to indicate that you should be able
>>> to restore to the same size drive, just not one of a different size.
>>>
>>> Need help Creates image fine, won't restore image
>>> http://ubcd4win.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2833&view= &hl=imagemaker&fromsearch=1
>>>
>>> --
>>> Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
>>> ============================
>>
>> I was going to add that after restoring the image, and being unbootable,
>> to try a Windows installation repair/restore, however after reading that
>> thread, it appears this utility puts its its own 512 byte sector as the
>> first sector, and bumps the MBR to #2. So even if you tried a Windows
>> repair, it won't be able to find the OS.
>>
>> It doesn't make sense, and I wonder what the author was thinking when
>> writing it. Maybe there's something else thats limited elsewhere that
>> caused the author to write it that way?
>>
>> Ace
>>
>>
>
>
Re: Restore AD just from files, not from System State backup [message #161038 is a reply to message #161025] Mon, 14 September 2009 03:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ernie  is currently offline Ernie
Messages: 26
Registered: September 2009
Junior Member
Yes, tried that too, same result. Also tried FIXMBR, no help. As usual, the
moral of the story is to do it right the first time.

Thanks for trying.

Ernie

"Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]" wrote:

> Did you restore to the original drive (from which the image was made)? The
> thread I found in UBCD4Win seems to indicate that you should be able to
> restore to the same size drive, just not one of a different size.
>
> Need help Creates image fine, won't restore image
> http://ubcd4win.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2833&view= &hl=imagemaker&fromsearch=1
>
> --
> Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
> ============================
>
>
> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2D771D9C-6DF0-49F1-A0F2-1309C7F9BB49@microsoft.com...
> > It's a freeware product, and says it is perfect for replacing hard drives
> > with larger ones. There was no error, per se, just the system wouldn't
> > boot
> > (black screen with cursor blinking remorselessy in upper left corner).
> > Looking on the forum for UBCD4Win, others have had the same issue. It
> > appears
> > that the software puts a header on the image file, so the boot sector is
> > not
> > going to appear in the right place.
> >
> > I don't know enough about messing with that to fix it.
> >
> > I have another tool (WinImage) that can read the image file and restore
> > data
> > from it, so I've got SBS 2003 reinstalled and built up, and all the data
> > back
> > where it should be, but the AD is toast and will be painful to rebuild.
> >
> > Once again, I sincerely appreciate your efforts. It's already been a long
> > long weekend... and this upcoming Monday is not looking too exciting
> > either.
> >
> > Ernie
> >
> > "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
> >
> >> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:5C2ACEAA-F3AB-4E84-9FA4-C04F9FB89769@microsoft.com...
> >>
> >> Doesn't work for boot partitions? I've never used ImageMaker, but odd
> >> that
> >> it won't work that way. What type of error did you get? What do the docs
> >> say
> >> about restoring a boot partition?
> >>
> >> Just a thought...
> >> I would imagine you can install Windows on one drive, (using the parallel
> >> installation method), shutdown, then plug the drive you want to use into
> >> the
> >> machine, then copy the data from the image onto it. Then unplug the main
> >> drive, then change the jumpers (if SCSI), or plug it into the primary IDE
> >> connector (make it master), then run Windows repair to make it bootable
> >> again.
> >>
> >> Ace
> >>
> >> > The imaging software I used was ImageMaker (on the Ultimate Boot CD for
> >> > Windows), and further checking after the restoration didn't work
> >> > discovered
> >> > that it doesn't work with boot partitions. I can recover the files
> >> > themselves
> >> > from the image, but I can't restore the image itself.
> >> >
> >> > There is only one DC, a single SBS server, all the other PCs on the
> >> > network
> >> > are clients.
> >> >
> >> > Thank you for responding so quickly.
> >> >
> >> > "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:85E6224E-1B8E-4090-9ED8-8FA20ED82B2F@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >I do not have a System State backup, and I don't know if this can
> >> >> >even
> >> >> >be
> >> >> > done, but it's at least worth asking.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have a complete image backup of the server files (SBS 2003),
> >> >> > including
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > entire \windows\system32\config directory. Is there any way at all
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > "restore" that and bring the server back to its original state? I
> >> >> > have
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > OS
> >> >> > reinstalled and service packed...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I completely understand how stupid I was not to do a system state
> >> >> > backup,
> >> >> > and I really don't know if this is possible.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thank you so much for even trying...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Ernie Lowell
> >> >> > Berkshire Data Solutions
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> When you said "image," does that mean it was created by using Ghost or
> >> >> some
> >> >> other imaging software? If that's the case, no need to reinstall the
> >> >> OS,
> >> >> rather just restore the image in a DOS or PE environment.
> >> >>
> >> >> As Meinolf said, imaging is not supported, however if there is only
> >> >> one
> >> >> DC,
> >> >> as with SBS, you may be able to get away with it, that is if imaging
> >> >> software was used, however it's not guaranteed.
> >> >>
> >> >> btw - I cross-posted this to the SBS group.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Ace
> >> >>
> >> >> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
> >> >> confers no rights.
> >> >>
> >> >> Please reply back to the newsgroup or forum for collaboration benefit
> >> >> among
> >> >> responding engineers, and to help others benefit from your resolution.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ace Fekay, MCT, MCTS Exchange, MCSE, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA Messaging
> >> >> Microsoft Certified Trainer
> >> >>
> >> >> For urgent issues, please contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please check
> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
Re: Restore AD just from files, not from System State backup [message #161047 is a reply to message #161038] Mon, 14 September 2009 05:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
Messages: 5816
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
"Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C4578D5E-C311-4199-8CA9-D174089D2381@microsoft.com...

Are there any switches with the ImageMaker, such as an int13? I'm just
grabbing at straws here - You said you can view it with Winimage. Can you
mount it with Winimage and restore it to a different drive, then try booting
with only that drive in and run Windows repair?

Ace

> Yes, tried that too, same result. Also tried FIXMBR, no help. As usual,
> the
> moral of the story is to do it right the first time.
>
> Thanks for trying.
>
> Ernie
>
> "Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
>
>> Did you restore to the original drive (from which the image was made)?
>> The
>> thread I found in UBCD4Win seems to indicate that you should be able to
>> restore to the same size drive, just not one of a different size.
>>
>> Need help Creates image fine, won't restore image
>> http://ubcd4win.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2833&view= &hl=imagemaker&fromsearch=1
>>
>> --
>> Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
>> ============================
>>
>>
>> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:2D771D9C-6DF0-49F1-A0F2-1309C7F9BB49@microsoft.com...
>> > It's a freeware product, and says it is perfect for replacing hard
>> > drives
>> > with larger ones. There was no error, per se, just the system wouldn't
>> > boot
>> > (black screen with cursor blinking remorselessy in upper left corner).
>> > Looking on the forum for UBCD4Win, others have had the same issue. It
>> > appears
>> > that the software puts a header on the image file, so the boot sector
>> > is
>> > not
>> > going to appear in the right place.
>> >
>> > I don't know enough about messing with that to fix it.
>> >
>> > I have another tool (WinImage) that can read the image file and restore
>> > data
>> > from it, so I've got SBS 2003 reinstalled and built up, and all the
>> > data
>> > back
>> > where it should be, but the AD is toast and will be painful to rebuild.
>> >
>> > Once again, I sincerely appreciate your efforts. It's already been a
>> > long
>> > long weekend... and this upcoming Monday is not looking too exciting
>> > either.
>> >
>> > Ernie
>> >
>> > "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:5C2ACEAA-F3AB-4E84-9FA4-C04F9FB89769@microsoft.com...
>> >>
>> >> Doesn't work for boot partitions? I've never used ImageMaker, but odd
>> >> that
>> >> it won't work that way. What type of error did you get? What do the
>> >> docs
>> >> say
>> >> about restoring a boot partition?
>> >>
>> >> Just a thought...
>> >> I would imagine you can install Windows on one drive, (using the
>> >> parallel
>> >> installation method), shutdown, then plug the drive you want to use
>> >> into
>> >> the
>> >> machine, then copy the data from the image onto it. Then unplug the
>> >> main
>> >> drive, then change the jumpers (if SCSI), or plug it into the primary
>> >> IDE
>> >> connector (make it master), then run Windows repair to make it
>> >> bootable
>> >> again.
>> >>
>> >> Ace
>> >>
>> >> > The imaging software I used was ImageMaker (on the Ultimate Boot CD
>> >> > for
>> >> > Windows), and further checking after the restoration didn't work
>> >> > discovered
>> >> > that it doesn't work with boot partitions. I can recover the files
>> >> > themselves
>> >> > from the image, but I can't restore the image itself.
>> >> >
>> >> > There is only one DC, a single SBS server, all the other PCs on the
>> >> > network
>> >> > are clients.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank you for responding so quickly.
>> >> >
>> >> > "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:85E6224E-1B8E-4090-9ED8-8FA20ED82B2F@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >I do not have a System State backup, and I don't know if this can
>> >> >> >even
>> >> >> >be
>> >> >> > done, but it's at least worth asking.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I have a complete image backup of the server files (SBS 2003),
>> >> >> > including
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > entire \windows\system32\config directory. Is there any way at
>> >> >> > all
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > "restore" that and bring the server back to its original state? I
>> >> >> > have
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > OS
>> >> >> > reinstalled and service packed...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I completely understand how stupid I was not to do a system state
>> >> >> > backup,
>> >> >> > and I really don't know if this is possible.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thank you so much for even trying...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Ernie Lowell
>> >> >> > Berkshire Data Solutions
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> When you said "image," does that mean it was created by using Ghost
>> >> >> or
>> >> >> some
>> >> >> other imaging software? If that's the case, no need to reinstall
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> OS,
>> >> >> rather just restore the image in a DOS or PE environment.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As Meinolf said, imaging is not supported, however if there is only
>> >> >> one
>> >> >> DC,
>> >> >> as with SBS, you may be able to get away with it, that is if
>> >> >> imaging
>> >> >> software was used, however it's not guaranteed.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> btw - I cross-posted this to the SBS group.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Ace
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> confers no rights.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Please reply back to the newsgroup or forum for collaboration
>> >> >> benefit
>> >> >> among
>> >> >> responding engineers, and to help others benefit from your
>> >> >> resolution.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ace Fekay, MCT, MCTS Exchange, MCSE, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA
>> >> >> Messaging
>> >> >> Microsoft Certified Trainer
>> >> >>
>> >> >> For urgent issues, please contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please
>> >> >> check
>> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
Re: Restore AD just from files, not from System State backup [message #161059 is a reply to message #161047] Mon, 14 September 2009 09:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ernie  is currently offline Ernie
Messages: 26
Registered: September 2009
Junior Member
As it turns out, they actually DO have a backup... they were using Backup
Exec System Recovery, it had been setup by the consultant who originally
designed the network, and none of them knew it was running faithfully each
and every night at 10pm.

I just got the system recovery boot CD and within the next few hours
everything should be back to normal.

Thanks so much for your help!

Ernie Lowell

"Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:

> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:C4578D5E-C311-4199-8CA9-D174089D2381@microsoft.com...
>
> Are there any switches with the ImageMaker, such as an int13? I'm just
> grabbing at straws here - You said you can view it with Winimage. Can you
> mount it with Winimage and restore it to a different drive, then try booting
> with only that drive in and run Windows repair?
>
> Ace
>
> > Yes, tried that too, same result. Also tried FIXMBR, no help. As usual,
> > the
> > moral of the story is to do it right the first time.
> >
> > Thanks for trying.
> >
> > Ernie
> >
> > "Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> Did you restore to the original drive (from which the image was made)?
> >> The
> >> thread I found in UBCD4Win seems to indicate that you should be able to
> >> restore to the same size drive, just not one of a different size.
> >>
> >> Need help Creates image fine, won't restore image
> >> http://ubcd4win.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2833&view= &hl=imagemaker&fromsearch=1
> >>
> >> --
> >> Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
> >> ============================
> >>
> >>
> >> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:2D771D9C-6DF0-49F1-A0F2-1309C7F9BB49@microsoft.com...
> >> > It's a freeware product, and says it is perfect for replacing hard
> >> > drives
> >> > with larger ones. There was no error, per se, just the system wouldn't
> >> > boot
> >> > (black screen with cursor blinking remorselessy in upper left corner).
> >> > Looking on the forum for UBCD4Win, others have had the same issue. It
> >> > appears
> >> > that the software puts a header on the image file, so the boot sector
> >> > is
> >> > not
> >> > going to appear in the right place.
> >> >
> >> > I don't know enough about messing with that to fix it.
> >> >
> >> > I have another tool (WinImage) that can read the image file and restore
> >> > data
> >> > from it, so I've got SBS 2003 reinstalled and built up, and all the
> >> > data
> >> > back
> >> > where it should be, but the AD is toast and will be painful to rebuild.
> >> >
> >> > Once again, I sincerely appreciate your efforts. It's already been a
> >> > long
> >> > long weekend... and this upcoming Monday is not looking too exciting
> >> > either.
> >> >
> >> > Ernie
> >> >
> >> > "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:5C2ACEAA-F3AB-4E84-9FA4-C04F9FB89769@microsoft.com...
> >> >>
> >> >> Doesn't work for boot partitions? I've never used ImageMaker, but odd
> >> >> that
> >> >> it won't work that way. What type of error did you get? What do the
> >> >> docs
> >> >> say
> >> >> about restoring a boot partition?
> >> >>
> >> >> Just a thought...
> >> >> I would imagine you can install Windows on one drive, (using the
> >> >> parallel
> >> >> installation method), shutdown, then plug the drive you want to use
> >> >> into
> >> >> the
> >> >> machine, then copy the data from the image onto it. Then unplug the
> >> >> main
> >> >> drive, then change the jumpers (if SCSI), or plug it into the primary
> >> >> IDE
> >> >> connector (make it master), then run Windows repair to make it
> >> >> bootable
> >> >> again.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ace
> >> >>
> >> >> > The imaging software I used was ImageMaker (on the Ultimate Boot CD
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > Windows), and further checking after the restoration didn't work
> >> >> > discovered
> >> >> > that it doesn't work with boot partitions. I can recover the files
> >> >> > themselves
> >> >> > from the image, but I can't restore the image itself.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > There is only one DC, a single SBS server, all the other PCs on the
> >> >> > network
> >> >> > are clients.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thank you for responding so quickly.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:85E6224E-1B8E-4090-9ED8-8FA20ED82B2F@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> >I do not have a System State backup, and I don't know if this can
> >> >> >> >even
> >> >> >> >be
> >> >> >> > done, but it's at least worth asking.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I have a complete image backup of the server files (SBS 2003),
> >> >> >> > including
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > entire \windows\system32\config directory. Is there any way at
> >> >> >> > all
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > "restore" that and bring the server back to its original state? I
> >> >> >> > have
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > OS
> >> >> >> > reinstalled and service packed...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I completely understand how stupid I was not to do a system state
> >> >> >> > backup,
> >> >> >> > and I really don't know if this is possible.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Thank you so much for even trying...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Ernie Lowell
> >> >> >> > Berkshire Data Solutions
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> When you said "image," does that mean it was created by using Ghost
> >> >> >> or
> >> >> >> some
> >> >> >> other imaging software? If that's the case, no need to reinstall
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> OS,
> >> >> >> rather just restore the image in a DOS or PE environment.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> As Meinolf said, imaging is not supported, however if there is only
> >> >> >> one
> >> >> >> DC,
> >> >> >> as with SBS, you may be able to get away with it, that is if
> >> >> >> imaging
> >> >> >> software was used, however it's not guaranteed.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> btw - I cross-posted this to the SBS group.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Ace
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> confers no rights.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Please reply back to the newsgroup or forum for collaboration
> >> >> >> benefit
> >> >> >> among
> >> >> >> responding engineers, and to help others benefit from your
> >> >> >> resolution.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Ace Fekay, MCT, MCTS Exchange, MCSE, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA
> >> >> >> Messaging
> >> >> >> Microsoft Certified Trainer
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> For urgent issues, please contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please
> >> >> >> check
> >> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Restore AD just from files, not from System State backup [message #161061 is a reply to message #161016] Mon, 14 September 2009 09:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gregg Hill  is currently offline Gregg Hill  United States
Messages: 225
Registered: September 2009
Senior Member
Hello!

As a user of StorageCraft ShadowProtect imaging software
(www.storagecraft.com), I'll offer my two cents' worth here.

A backup of a drive, DC or not, is "just some files" whether done with an
image, tape backup or whatever, and the System State (correct me if I am
wrong, please!) is also some files, albeit a group of critical ones. The
imaging software's ability to put them in the right place when it is
restored is the key.

The blinking cursor issue after a restore is a known problem when using
imaging software and occurs more frequently with certain brands of hard
drives. I use StorageCraft ShadowProtect all the time and have run into the
problem and worked around it several times. I nearly pooped myself the first
time it did it!

The following information copied from their web site support page at
http://www.storagecraft.com/kb/questions.php?questionid=72 may help you, as
it sounds like a similar problem.

"6. If you find that the server when booting up states that either it cannot
find a file because it is either missing or corrupt or the screen sits there
with a black screen and the cursor blinking in the top left hand corner then
we need to boot from the original Windows CD and select the recovery console
option. When in this console run the following commands - fixboot C:, then
fixmbr. These commands ensure that a correct MBR is installed on reboot."

Give that a try.

Also, look at the following two articles. While you used different imaging
software, the problems could be related.

http://www.storagecraft.com/kb/questions.php?questionid=138

http://www.storagecraft.com/kb/questions.php?questionid=42

Gregg Hill





"Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" <meiweb@(nospam)gmx.de> wrote in message
news:6cb2911d577b8cc02ac273e8ad3@msnews.microsoft.com...
> Hello Ernie,
>
> You can not restore a DC just from some files. You MUST have at least a
> system state backup.
>
> Using an image for backup is a not supported way.
>
> Best regards
>
> Meinolf Weber
> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> confers no rights.
> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>
>> I do not have a System State backup, and I don't know if this can even
>> be done, but it's at least worth asking.
>>
>> I have a complete image backup of the server files (SBS 2003),
>> including the entire \windows\system32\config directory. Is there any
>> way at all to "restore" that and bring the server back to its original
>> state? I have the OS reinstalled and service packed...
>>
>> I completely understand how stupid I was not to do a system state
>> backup, and I really don't know if this is possible.
>>
>> Thank you so much for even trying...
>>
>> Ernie Lowell
>> Berkshire Data Solutions
>
>
Re: Restore AD just from files, not from System State backup [message #161063 is a reply to message #161059] Mon, 14 September 2009 10:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
Messages: 5816
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"Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D9BA7932-2FE4-4549-977D-54A152FED96F@microsoft.com...

No kidding??!! Good to hear.

Well, we'll need to have a drink to celebrate afterwards!

Ace

> As it turns out, they actually DO have a backup... they were using Backup
> Exec System Recovery, it had been setup by the consultant who originally
> designed the network, and none of them knew it was running faithfully each
> and every night at 10pm.
>
> I just got the system recovery boot CD and within the next few hours
> everything should be back to normal.
>
> Thanks so much for your help!
>
> Ernie Lowell
>
> "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
>
>> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:C4578D5E-C311-4199-8CA9-D174089D2381@microsoft.com...
>>
>> Are there any switches with the ImageMaker, such as an int13? I'm just
>> grabbing at straws here - You said you can view it with Winimage. Can you
>> mount it with Winimage and restore it to a different drive, then try
>> booting
>> with only that drive in and run Windows repair?
>>
>> Ace
>>
>> > Yes, tried that too, same result. Also tried FIXMBR, no help. As usual,
>> > the
>> > moral of the story is to do it right the first time.
>> >
>> > Thanks for trying.
>> >
>> > Ernie
>> >
>> > "Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Did you restore to the original drive (from which the image was made)?
>> >> The
>> >> thread I found in UBCD4Win seems to indicate that you should be able
>> >> to
>> >> restore to the same size drive, just not one of a different size.
>> >>
>> >> Need help Creates image fine, won't restore image
>> >> http://ubcd4win.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2833&view= &hl=imagemaker&fromsearch=1
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
>> >> ============================
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:2D771D9C-6DF0-49F1-A0F2-1309C7F9BB49@microsoft.com...
>> >> > It's a freeware product, and says it is perfect for replacing hard
>> >> > drives
>> >> > with larger ones. There was no error, per se, just the system
>> >> > wouldn't
>> >> > boot
>> >> > (black screen with cursor blinking remorselessy in upper left
>> >> > corner).
>> >> > Looking on the forum for UBCD4Win, others have had the same issue.
>> >> > It
>> >> > appears
>> >> > that the software puts a header on the image file, so the boot
>> >> > sector
>> >> > is
>> >> > not
>> >> > going to appear in the right place.
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't know enough about messing with that to fix it.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have another tool (WinImage) that can read the image file and
>> >> > restore
>> >> > data
>> >> > from it, so I've got SBS 2003 reinstalled and built up, and all the
>> >> > data
>> >> > back
>> >> > where it should be, but the AD is toast and will be painful to
>> >> > rebuild.
>> >> >
>> >> > Once again, I sincerely appreciate your efforts. It's already been a
>> >> > long
>> >> > long weekend... and this upcoming Monday is not looking too exciting
>> >> > either.
>> >> >
>> >> > Ernie
>> >> >
>> >> > "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:5C2ACEAA-F3AB-4E84-9FA4-C04F9FB89769@microsoft.com...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Doesn't work for boot partitions? I've never used ImageMaker, but
>> >> >> odd
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> it won't work that way. What type of error did you get? What do the
>> >> >> docs
>> >> >> say
>> >> >> about restoring a boot partition?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Just a thought...
>> >> >> I would imagine you can install Windows on one drive, (using the
>> >> >> parallel
>> >> >> installation method), shutdown, then plug the drive you want to use
>> >> >> into
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> machine, then copy the data from the image onto it. Then unplug the
>> >> >> main
>> >> >> drive, then change the jumpers (if SCSI), or plug it into the
>> >> >> primary
>> >> >> IDE
>> >> >> connector (make it master), then run Windows repair to make it
>> >> >> bootable
>> >> >> again.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ace
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > The imaging software I used was ImageMaker (on the Ultimate Boot
>> >> >> > CD
>> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > Windows), and further checking after the restoration didn't work
>> >> >> > discovered
>> >> >> > that it doesn't work with boot partitions. I can recover the
>> >> >> > files
>> >> >> > themselves
>> >> >> > from the image, but I can't restore the image itself.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > There is only one DC, a single SBS server, all the other PCs on
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > network
>> >> >> > are clients.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thank you for responding so quickly.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:85E6224E-1B8E-4090-9ED8-8FA20ED82B2F@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> >I do not have a System State backup, and I don't know if this
>> >> >> >> >can
>> >> >> >> >even
>> >> >> >> >be
>> >> >> >> > done, but it's at least worth asking.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I have a complete image backup of the server files (SBS 2003),
>> >> >> >> > including
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > entire \windows\system32\config directory. Is there any way at
>> >> >> >> > all
>> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > "restore" that and bring the server back to its original
>> >> >> >> > state? I
>> >> >> >> > have
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > OS
>> >> >> >> > reinstalled and service packed...
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I completely understand how stupid I was not to do a system
>> >> >> >> > state
>> >> >> >> > backup,
>> >> >> >> > and I really don't know if this is possible.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Thank you so much for even trying...
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Ernie Lowell
>> >> >> >> > Berkshire Data Solutions
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> When you said "image," does that mean it was created by using
>> >> >> >> Ghost
>> >> >> >> or
>> >> >> >> some
>> >> >> >> other imaging software? If that's the case, no need to reinstall
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> OS,
>> >> >> >> rather just restore the image in a DOS or PE environment.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> As Meinolf said, imaging is not supported, however if there is
>> >> >> >> only
>> >> >> >> one
>> >> >> >> DC,
>> >> >> >> as with SBS, you may be able to get away with it, that is if
>> >> >> >> imaging
>> >> >> >> software was used, however it's not guaranteed.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> btw - I cross-posted this to the SBS group.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Ace
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or
>> >> >> >> guarantees
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> confers no rights.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Please reply back to the newsgroup or forum for collaboration
>> >> >> >> benefit
>> >> >> >> among
>> >> >> >> responding engineers, and to help others benefit from your
>> >> >> >> resolution.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Ace Fekay, MCT, MCTS Exchange, MCSE, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA
>> >> >> >> Messaging
>> >> >> >> Microsoft Certified Trainer
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> For urgent issues, please contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please
>> >> >> >> check
>> >> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
Re: Restore AD just from files, not from System State backup [message #161065 is a reply to message #161059] Mon, 14 September 2009 10:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
meiweb  is currently offline meiweb  Germany
Messages: 2225
Registered: September 2009
Senior Member
Hello Ernie,

Nice to hear that. :-)

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
no rights.
** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm


> As it turns out, they actually DO have a backup... they were using
> Backup Exec System Recovery, it had been setup by the consultant who
> originally designed the network, and none of them knew it was running
> faithfully each and every night at 10pm.
>
> I just got the system recovery boot CD and within the next few hours
> everything should be back to normal.
>
> Thanks so much for your help!
>
> Ernie Lowell
>
> "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
>
>> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:C4578D5E-C311-4199-8CA9-D174089D2381@microsoft.com...
>>
>> Are there any switches with the ImageMaker, such as an int13? I'm
>> just grabbing at straws here - You said you can view it with
>> Winimage. Can you mount it with Winimage and restore it to a
>> different drive, then try booting with only that drive in and run
>> Windows repair?
>>
>> Ace
>>
>>> Yes, tried that too, same result. Also tried FIXMBR, no help. As
>>> usual,
>>> the
>>> moral of the story is to do it right the first time.
>>> Thanks for trying.
>>>
>>> Ernie
>>>
>>> "Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Did you restore to the original drive (from which the image was
>>>> made)?
>>>> The
>>>> thread I found in UBCD4Win seems to indicate that you should be
>>>> able to
>>>> restore to the same size drive, just not one of a different size.
>>>> Need help Creates image fine, won't restore image
>>>> http://ubcd4win.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2833&view= &hl=imagema
>>>> ker&fromsearch=1
>>>> --
>>>> Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
>>>> ============================
>>>> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:2D771D9C-6DF0-49F1-A0F2-1309C7F9BB49@microsoft.com...
>>>>
>>>>> It's a freeware product, and says it is perfect for replacing hard
>>>>> drives
>>>>> with larger ones. There was no error, per se, just the system
>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>> boot
>>>>> (black screen with cursor blinking remorselessy in upper left
>>>>> corner).
>>>>> Looking on the forum for UBCD4Win, others have had the same issue.
>>>>> It
>>>>> appears
>>>>> that the software puts a header on the image file, so the boot
>>>>> sector
>>>>> is
>>>>> not
>>>>> going to appear in the right place.
>>>>> I don't know enough about messing with that to fix it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have another tool (WinImage) that can read the image file and
>>>>> restore
>>>>> data
>>>>> from it, so I've got SBS 2003 reinstalled and built up, and all
>>>>> the
>>>>> data
>>>>> back
>>>>> where it should be, but the AD is toast and will be painful to
>>>>> rebuild.
>>>>> Once again, I sincerely appreciate your efforts. It's already been
>>>>> a
>>>>> long
>>>>> long weekend... and this upcoming Monday is not looking too
>>>>> exciting
>>>>> either.
>>>>> Ernie
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:5C2ACEAA-F3AB-4E84-9FA4-C04F9FB89769@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doesn't work for boot partitions? I've never used ImageMaker, but
>>>>>> odd
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> it won't work that way. What type of error did you get? What do
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> docs
>>>>>> say
>>>>>> about restoring a boot partition?
>>>>>> Just a thought...
>>>>>> I would imagine you can install Windows on one drive, (using the
>>>>>> parallel
>>>>>> installation method), shutdown, then plug the drive you want to
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> machine, then copy the data from the image onto it. Then unplug
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> main
>>>>>> drive, then change the jumpers (if SCSI), or plug it into the
>>>>>> primary
>>>>>> IDE
>>>>>> connector (make it master), then run Windows repair to make it
>>>>>> bootable
>>>>>> again.
>>>>>> Ace
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The imaging software I used was ImageMaker (on the Ultimate Boot
>>>>>>> CD
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> Windows), and further checking after the restoration didn't work
>>>>>>> discovered
>>>>>>> that it doesn't work with boot partitions. I can recover the
>>>>>>> files
>>>>>>> themselves
>>>>>>> from the image, but I can't restore the image itself.
>>>>>>> There is only one DC, a single SBS server, all the other PCs on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> network
>>>>>>> are clients.
>>>>>>> Thank you for responding so quickly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:85E6224E-1B8E-4090-9ED8-8FA20ED82B2F@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do not have a System State backup, and I don't know if this
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> done, but it's at least worth asking.
>>>>>>>>> I have a complete image backup of the server files (SBS 2003),
>>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> entire \windows\system32\config directory. Is there any way at
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> "restore" that and bring the server back to its original
>>>>>>>>> state? I
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> OS
>>>>>>>>> reinstalled and service packed...
>>>>>>>>> I completely understand how stupid I was not to do a system
>>>>>>>>> state
>>>>>>>>> backup,
>>>>>>>>> and I really don't know if this is possible.
>>>>>>>>> Thank you so much for even trying...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ernie Lowell
>>>>>>>>> Berkshire Data Solutions
>>>>>>>> When you said "image," does that mean it was created by using
>>>>>>>> Ghost
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> other imaging software? If that's the case, no need to
>>>>>>>> reinstall
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> OS,
>>>>>>>> rather just restore the image in a DOS or PE environment.
>>>>>>>> As Meinolf said, imaging is not supported, however if there is
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> DC,
>>>>>>>> as with SBS, you may be able to get away with it, that is if
>>>>>>>> imaging
>>>>>>>> software was used, however it's not guaranteed.
>>>>>>>> btw - I cross-posted this to the SBS group.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Ace
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or
>>>>>>>> guarantees
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> confers no rights.
>>>>>>>> Please reply back to the newsgroup or forum for collaboration
>>>>>>>> benefit
>>>>>>>> among
>>>>>>>> responding engineers, and to help others benefit from your
>>>>>>>> resolution.
>>>>>>>> Ace Fekay, MCT, MCTS Exchange, MCSE, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA
>>>>>>>> Messaging
>>>>>>>> Microsoft Certified Trainer
>>>>>>>> For urgent issues, please contact Microsoft PSS directly.
>>>>>>>> Please
>>>>>>>> check
>>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone
>>>>>>>> numbers.
Re: Restore AD just from files, not from System State backup [message #161068 is a reply to message #161065] Mon, 14 September 2009 12:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ernie  is currently offline Ernie
Messages: 26
Registered: September 2009
Junior Member
You are not kidding. Thanks for all the help!

Ernie

"Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" wrote:

> Hello Ernie,
>
> Nice to hear that. :-)
>
> Best regards
>
> Meinolf Weber
> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
> no rights.
> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>
>
> > As it turns out, they actually DO have a backup... they were using
> > Backup Exec System Recovery, it had been setup by the consultant who
> > originally designed the network, and none of them knew it was running
> > faithfully each and every night at 10pm.
> >
> > I just got the system recovery boot CD and within the next few hours
> > everything should be back to normal.
> >
> > Thanks so much for your help!
> >
> > Ernie Lowell
> >
> > "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
> >
> >> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:C4578D5E-C311-4199-8CA9-D174089D2381@microsoft.com...
> >>
> >> Are there any switches with the ImageMaker, such as an int13? I'm
> >> just grabbing at straws here - You said you can view it with
> >> Winimage. Can you mount it with Winimage and restore it to a
> >> different drive, then try booting with only that drive in and run
> >> Windows repair?
> >>
> >> Ace
> >>
> >>> Yes, tried that too, same result. Also tried FIXMBR, no help. As
> >>> usual,
> >>> the
> >>> moral of the story is to do it right the first time.
> >>> Thanks for trying.
> >>>
> >>> Ernie
> >>>
> >>> "Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Did you restore to the original drive (from which the image was
> >>>> made)?
> >>>> The
> >>>> thread I found in UBCD4Win seems to indicate that you should be
> >>>> able to
> >>>> restore to the same size drive, just not one of a different size.
> >>>> Need help Creates image fine, won't restore image
> >>>> http://ubcd4win.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2833&view= &hl=imagema
> >>>> ker&fromsearch=1
> >>>> --
> >>>> Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
> >>>> ============================
> >>>> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:2D771D9C-6DF0-49F1-A0F2-1309C7F9BB49@microsoft.com...
> >>>>
> >>>>> It's a freeware product, and says it is perfect for replacing hard
> >>>>> drives
> >>>>> with larger ones. There was no error, per se, just the system
> >>>>> wouldn't
> >>>>> boot
> >>>>> (black screen with cursor blinking remorselessy in upper left
> >>>>> corner).
> >>>>> Looking on the forum for UBCD4Win, others have had the same issue.
> >>>>> It
> >>>>> appears
> >>>>> that the software puts a header on the image file, so the boot
> >>>>> sector
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> not
> >>>>> going to appear in the right place.
> >>>>> I don't know enough about messing with that to fix it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have another tool (WinImage) that can read the image file and
> >>>>> restore
> >>>>> data
> >>>>> from it, so I've got SBS 2003 reinstalled and built up, and all
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> data
> >>>>> back
> >>>>> where it should be, but the AD is toast and will be painful to
> >>>>> rebuild.
> >>>>> Once again, I sincerely appreciate your efforts. It's already been
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> long
> >>>>> long weekend... and this upcoming Monday is not looking too
> >>>>> exciting
> >>>>> either.
> >>>>> Ernie
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:5C2ACEAA-F3AB-4E84-9FA4-C04F9FB89769@microsoft.com...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Doesn't work for boot partitions? I've never used ImageMaker, but
> >>>>>> odd
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> it won't work that way. What type of error did you get? What do
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> docs
> >>>>>> say
> >>>>>> about restoring a boot partition?
> >>>>>> Just a thought...
> >>>>>> I would imagine you can install Windows on one drive, (using the
> >>>>>> parallel
> >>>>>> installation method), shutdown, then plug the drive you want to
> >>>>>> use
> >>>>>> into
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> machine, then copy the data from the image onto it. Then unplug
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> main
> >>>>>> drive, then change the jumpers (if SCSI), or plug it into the
> >>>>>> primary
> >>>>>> IDE
> >>>>>> connector (make it master), then run Windows repair to make it
> >>>>>> bootable
> >>>>>> again.
> >>>>>> Ace
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The imaging software I used was ImageMaker (on the Ultimate Boot
> >>>>>>> CD
> >>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>> Windows), and further checking after the restoration didn't work
> >>>>>>> discovered
> >>>>>>> that it doesn't work with boot partitions. I can recover the
> >>>>>>> files
> >>>>>>> themselves
> >>>>>>> from the image, but I can't restore the image itself.
> >>>>>>> There is only one DC, a single SBS server, all the other PCs on
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> network
> >>>>>>> are clients.
> >>>>>>> Thank you for responding so quickly.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>> news:85E6224E-1B8E-4090-9ED8-8FA20ED82B2F@microsoft.com...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I do not have a System State backup, and I don't know if this
> >>>>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>> even
> >>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>> done, but it's at least worth asking.
> >>>>>>>>> I have a complete image backup of the server files (SBS 2003),
> >>>>>>>>> including
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> entire \windows\system32\config directory. Is there any way at
> >>>>>>>>> all
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> "restore" that and bring the server back to its original
> >>>>>>>>> state? I
> >>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> OS
> >>>>>>>>> reinstalled and service packed...
> >>>>>>>>> I completely understand how stupid I was not to do a system
> >>>>>>>>> state
> >>>>>>>>> backup,
> >>>>>>>>> and I really don't know if this is possible.
> >>>>>>>>> Thank you so much for even trying...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ernie Lowell
> >>>>>>>>> Berkshire Data Solutions
> >>>>>>>> When you said "image," does that mean it was created by using
> >>>>>>>> Ghost
> >>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>> some
> >>>>>>>> other imaging software? If that's the case, no need to
> >>>>>>>> reinstall
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> OS,
> >>>>>>>> rather just restore the image in a DOS or PE environment.
> >>>>>>>> As Meinolf said, imaging is not supported, however if there is
> >>>>>>>> only
> >>>>>>>> one
> >>>>>>>> DC,
> >>>>>>>> as with SBS, you may be able to get away with it, that is if
> >>>>>>>> imaging
> >>>>>>>> software was used, however it's not guaranteed.
> >>>>>>>> btw - I cross-posted this to the SBS group.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -- Ace
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or
> >>>>>>>> guarantees
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> confers no rights.
> >>>>>>>> Please reply back to the newsgroup or forum for collaboration
> >>>>>>>> benefit
> >>>>>>>> among
> >>>>>>>> responding engineers, and to help others benefit from your
> >>>>>>>> resolution.
> >>>>>>>> Ace Fekay, MCT, MCTS Exchange, MCSE, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA
> >>>>>>>> Messaging
> >>>>>>>> Microsoft Certified Trainer
> >>>>>>>> For urgent issues, please contact Microsoft PSS directly.
> >>>>>>>> Please
> >>>>>>>> check
> >>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone
> >>>>>>>> numbers.
>
>
>
Re: Restore AD just from files, not from System State backup [message #161069 is a reply to message #161063] Mon, 14 September 2009 12:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ernie  is currently offline Ernie
Messages: 26
Registered: September 2009
Junior Member
I'm not quite doing handstands, but I'm close. It will be nice to sleep
tonight. BESR is halfway through the recovery process.

Thanks again!

"Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:

> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:D9BA7932-2FE4-4549-977D-54A152FED96F@microsoft.com...
>
> No kidding??!! Good to hear.
>
> Well, we'll need to have a drink to celebrate afterwards!
>
> Ace
>
> > As it turns out, they actually DO have a backup... they were using Backup
> > Exec System Recovery, it had been setup by the consultant who originally
> > designed the network, and none of them knew it was running faithfully each
> > and every night at 10pm.
> >
> > I just got the system recovery boot CD and within the next few hours
> > everything should be back to normal.
> >
> > Thanks so much for your help!
> >
> > Ernie Lowell
> >
> > "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
> >
> >> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:C4578D5E-C311-4199-8CA9-D174089D2381@microsoft.com...
> >>
> >> Are there any switches with the ImageMaker, such as an int13? I'm just
> >> grabbing at straws here - You said you can view it with Winimage. Can you
> >> mount it with Winimage and restore it to a different drive, then try
> >> booting
> >> with only that drive in and run Windows repair?
> >>
> >> Ace
> >>
> >> > Yes, tried that too, same result. Also tried FIXMBR, no help. As usual,
> >> > the
> >> > moral of the story is to do it right the first time.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for trying.
> >> >
> >> > Ernie
> >> >
> >> > "Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Did you restore to the original drive (from which the image was made)?
> >> >> The
> >> >> thread I found in UBCD4Win seems to indicate that you should be able
> >> >> to
> >> >> restore to the same size drive, just not one of a different size.
> >> >>
> >> >> Need help Creates image fine, won't restore image
> >> >> http://ubcd4win.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2833&view= &hl=imagemaker&fromsearch=1
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
> >> >> ============================
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:2D771D9C-6DF0-49F1-A0F2-1309C7F9BB49@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > It's a freeware product, and says it is perfect for replacing hard
> >> >> > drives
> >> >> > with larger ones. There was no error, per se, just the system
> >> >> > wouldn't
> >> >> > boot
> >> >> > (black screen with cursor blinking remorselessy in upper left
> >> >> > corner).
> >> >> > Looking on the forum for UBCD4Win, others have had the same issue.
> >> >> > It
> >> >> > appears
> >> >> > that the software puts a header on the image file, so the boot
> >> >> > sector
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > not
> >> >> > going to appear in the right place.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I don't know enough about messing with that to fix it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have another tool (WinImage) that can read the image file and
> >> >> > restore
> >> >> > data
> >> >> > from it, so I've got SBS 2003 reinstalled and built up, and all the
> >> >> > data
> >> >> > back
> >> >> > where it should be, but the AD is toast and will be painful to
> >> >> > rebuild.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Once again, I sincerely appreciate your efforts. It's already been a
> >> >> > long
> >> >> > long weekend... and this upcoming Monday is not looking too exciting
> >> >> > either.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Ernie
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:5C2ACEAA-F3AB-4E84-9FA4-C04F9FB89769@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Doesn't work for boot partitions? I've never used ImageMaker, but
> >> >> >> odd
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> it won't work that way. What type of error did you get? What do the
> >> >> >> docs
> >> >> >> say
> >> >> >> about restoring a boot partition?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Just a thought...
> >> >> >> I would imagine you can install Windows on one drive, (using the
> >> >> >> parallel
> >> >> >> installation method), shutdown, then plug the drive you want to use
> >> >> >> into
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> machine, then copy the data from the image onto it. Then unplug the
> >> >> >> main
> >> >> >> drive, then change the jumpers (if SCSI), or plug it into the
> >> >> >> primary
> >> >> >> IDE
> >> >> >> connector (make it master), then run Windows repair to make it
> >> >> >> bootable
> >> >> >> again.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Ace
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > The imaging software I used was ImageMaker (on the Ultimate Boot
> >> >> >> > CD
> >> >> >> > for
> >> >> >> > Windows), and further checking after the restoration didn't work
> >> >> >> > discovered
> >> >> >> > that it doesn't work with boot partitions. I can recover the
> >> >> >> > files
> >> >> >> > themselves
> >> >> >> > from the image, but I can't restore the image itself.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > There is only one DC, a single SBS server, all the other PCs on
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > network
> >> >> >> > are clients.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Thank you for responding so quickly.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:85E6224E-1B8E-4090-9ED8-8FA20ED82B2F@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> >> >I do not have a System State backup, and I don't know if this
> >> >> >> >> >can
> >> >> >> >> >even
> >> >> >> >> >be
> >> >> >> >> > done, but it's at least worth asking.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > I have a complete image backup of the server files (SBS 2003),
> >> >> >> >> > including
> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > entire \windows\system32\config directory. Is there any way at
> >> >> >> >> > all
> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> > "restore" that and bring the server back to its original
> >> >> >> >> > state? I
> >> >> >> >> > have
> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > OS
> >> >> >> >> > reinstalled and service packed...
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > I completely understand how stupid I was not to do a system
> >> >> >> >> > state
> >> >> >> >> > backup,
> >> >> >> >> > and I really don't know if this is possible.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Thank you so much for even trying...
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Ernie Lowell
> >> >> >> >> > Berkshire Data Solutions
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> When you said "image," does that mean it was created by using
> >> >> >> >> Ghost
> >> >> >> >> or
> >> >> >> >> some
> >> >> >> >> other imaging software? If that's the case, no need to reinstall
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> OS,
> >> >> >> >> rather just restore the image in a DOS or PE environment.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> As Meinolf said, imaging is not supported, however if there is
> >> >> >> >> only
> >> >> >> >> one
> >> >> >> >> DC,
> >> >> >> >> as with SBS, you may be able to get away with it, that is if
> >> >> >> >> imaging
> >> >> >> >> software was used, however it's not guaranteed.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> btw - I cross-posted this to the SBS group.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> Ace
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or
> >> >> >> >> guarantees
> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> confers no rights.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Please reply back to the newsgroup or forum for collaboration
> >> >> >> >> benefit
> >> >> >> >> among
> >> >> >> >> responding engineers, and to help others benefit from your
> >> >> >> >> resolution.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Ace Fekay, MCT, MCTS Exchange, MCSE, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA
> >> >> >> >> Messaging
> >> >> >> >> Microsoft Certified Trainer
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> For urgent issues, please contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please
> >> >> >> >> check
> >> >> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
>
Re: Restore AD just from files, not from System State backup [message #161070 is a reply to message #161069] Mon, 14 September 2009 14:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:51A82AF4-2E96-4D0C-B120-D6C1E014D3D6@microsoft.com...
> I'm not quite doing handstands, but I'm close. It will be nice to sleep
> tonight. BESR is halfway through the recovery process.
>
> Thanks again!

That is good to hear. Sleep is a good thing!

And you are welcome!


Ace


>
> "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
>
>> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:D9BA7932-2FE4-4549-977D-54A152FED96F@microsoft.com...
>>
>> No kidding??!! Good to hear.
>>
>> Well, we'll need to have a drink to celebrate afterwards!
>>
>> Ace
>>
>> > As it turns out, they actually DO have a backup... they were using
>> > Backup
>> > Exec System Recovery, it had been setup by the consultant who
>> > originally
>> > designed the network, and none of them knew it was running faithfully
>> > each
>> > and every night at 10pm.
>> >
>> > I just got the system recovery boot CD and within the next few hours
>> > everything should be back to normal.
>> >
>> > Thanks so much for your help!
>> >
>> > Ernie Lowell
>> >
>> > "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:C4578D5E-C311-4199-8CA9-D174089D2381@microsoft.com...
>> >>
>> >> Are there any switches with the ImageMaker, such as an int13? I'm just
>> >> grabbing at straws here - You said you can view it with Winimage. Can
>> >> you
>> >> mount it with Winimage and restore it to a different drive, then try
>> >> booting
>> >> with only that drive in and run Windows repair?
>> >>
>> >> Ace
>> >>
>> >> > Yes, tried that too, same result. Also tried FIXMBR, no help. As
>> >> > usual,
>> >> > the
>> >> > moral of the story is to do it right the first time.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks for trying.
>> >> >
>> >> > Ernie
>> >> >
>> >> > "Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Did you restore to the original drive (from which the image was
>> >> >> made)?
>> >> >> The
>> >> >> thread I found in UBCD4Win seems to indicate that you should be
>> >> >> able
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> restore to the same size drive, just not one of a different size.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Need help Creates image fine, won't restore image
>> >> >> http://ubcd4win.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2833&view= &hl=imagemaker&fromsearch=1
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]
>> >> >> ============================
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:2D771D9C-6DF0-49F1-A0F2-1309C7F9BB49@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > It's a freeware product, and says it is perfect for replacing
>> >> >> > hard
>> >> >> > drives
>> >> >> > with larger ones. There was no error, per se, just the system
>> >> >> > wouldn't
>> >> >> > boot
>> >> >> > (black screen with cursor blinking remorselessy in upper left
>> >> >> > corner).
>> >> >> > Looking on the forum for UBCD4Win, others have had the same
>> >> >> > issue.
>> >> >> > It
>> >> >> > appears
>> >> >> > that the software puts a header on the image file, so the boot
>> >> >> > sector
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > not
>> >> >> > going to appear in the right place.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I don't know enough about messing with that to fix it.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I have another tool (WinImage) that can read the image file and
>> >> >> > restore
>> >> >> > data
>> >> >> > from it, so I've got SBS 2003 reinstalled and built up, and all
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > data
>> >> >> > back
>> >> >> > where it should be, but the AD is toast and will be painful to
>> >> >> > rebuild.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Once again, I sincerely appreciate your efforts. It's already
>> >> >> > been a
>> >> >> > long
>> >> >> > long weekend... and this upcoming Monday is not looking too
>> >> >> > exciting
>> >> >> > either.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Ernie
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:5C2ACEAA-F3AB-4E84-9FA4-C04F9FB89769@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Doesn't work for boot partitions? I've never used ImageMaker,
>> >> >> >> but
>> >> >> >> odd
>> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> it won't work that way. What type of error did you get? What do
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> docs
>> >> >> >> say
>> >> >> >> about restoring a boot partition?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Just a thought...
>> >> >> >> I would imagine you can install Windows on one drive, (using the
>> >> >> >> parallel
>> >> >> >> installation method), shutdown, then plug the drive you want to
>> >> >> >> use
>> >> >> >> into
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> machine, then copy the data from the image onto it. Then unplug
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> main
>> >> >> >> drive, then change the jumpers (if SCSI), or plug it into the
>> >> >> >> primary
>> >> >> >> IDE
>> >> >> >> connector (make it master), then run Windows repair to make it
>> >> >> >> bootable
>> >> >> >> again.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Ace
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > The imaging software I used was ImageMaker (on the Ultimate
>> >> >> >> > Boot
>> >> >> >> > CD
>> >> >> >> > for
>> >> >> >> > Windows), and further checking after the restoration didn't
>> >> >> >> > work
>> >> >> >> > discovered
>> >> >> >> > that it doesn't work with boot partitions. I can recover the
>> >> >> >> > files
>> >> >> >> > themselves
>> >> >> >> > from the image, but I can't restore the image itself.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > There is only one DC, a single SBS server, all the other PCs
>> >> >> >> > on
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > network
>> >> >> >> > are clients.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Thank you for responding so quickly.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> "Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> news:85E6224E-1B8E-4090-9ED8-8FA20ED82B2F@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> >> >I do not have a System State backup, and I don't know if
>> >> >> >> >> >this
>> >> >> >> >> >can
>> >> >> >> >> >even
>> >> >> >> >> >be
>> >> >> >> >> > done, but it's at least worth asking.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > I have a complete image backup of the server files (SBS
>> >> >> >> >> > 2003),
>> >> >> >> >> > including
>> >> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> >> > entire \windows\system32\config directory. Is there any way
>> >> >> >> >> > at
>> >> >> >> >> > all
>> >> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> >> > "restore" that and bring the server back to its original
>> >> >> >> >> > state? I
>> >> >> >> >> > have
>> >> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> >> > OS
>> >> >> >> >> > reinstalled and service packed...
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > I completely understand how stupid I was not to do a system
>> >> >> >> >> > state
>> >> >> >> >> > backup,
>> >> >> >> >> > and I really don't know if this is possible.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Thank you so much for even trying...
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Ernie Lowell
>> >> >> >> >> > Berkshire Data Solutions
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> When you said "image," does that mean it was created by using
>> >> >> >> >> Ghost
>> >> >> >> >> or
>> >> >> >> >> some
>> >> >> >> >> other imaging software? If that's the case, no need to
>> >> >> >> >> reinstall
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> OS,
>> >> >> >> >> rather just restore the image in a DOS or PE environment.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> As Meinolf said, imaging is not supported, however if there
>> >> >> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> >> only
>> >> >> >> >> one
>> >> >> >> >> DC,
>> >> >> >> >> as with SBS, you may be able to get away with it, that is if
>> >> >> >> >> imaging
>> >> >> >> >> software was used, however it's not guaranteed.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> btw - I cross-posted this to the SBS group.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> >> Ace
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or
>> >> >> >> >> guarantees
>> >> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> confers no rights.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Please reply back to the newsgroup or forum for collaboration
>> >> >> >> >> benefit
>> >> >> >> >> among
>> >> >> >> >> responding engineers, and to help others benefit from your
>> >> >> >> >> resolution.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Ace Fekay, MCT, MCTS Exchange, MCSE, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA
>> >> >> >> >> Messaging
>> >> >> >> >> Microsoft Certified Trainer
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> For urgent issues, please contact Microsoft PSS directly.
>> >> >> >> >> Please
>> >> >> >> >> check
>> >> >> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone
>> >> >> >> >> numbers.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
>>
Re: Restore AD just from files, not from System State backup [message #162097 is a reply to message #161014] Wed, 14 October 2009 15:18 Go to previous message
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"Ernie" <Ernie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:85E6224E-1B8E-4090-9ED8-8FA20ED82B2F@microsoft.com...
> I do not have a System State backup, and I don't know if this can even be
> done, but it's at least worth asking.
>
> I have a complete image backup of the server files (SBS 2003), including
> the
> entire \windows\system32\config directory. Is there any way at all to
> "restore" that and bring the server back to its original state? I have the
> OS
> reinstalled and service packed...
>
> I completely understand how stupid I was not to do a system state backup,
> and I really don't know if this is possible.
>
> Thank you so much for even trying...
>
> Ernie Lowell
> Berkshire Data Solutions
>
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