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Built in vs Users container [message #161370] Wed, 23 September 2009 23:02 Go to next message
aconti  is currently offline aconti  United States
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Hello the built in container has all the groups installed by default on
a DC. In the Users container there are also many security groups that
were there by default for example, Domain Admins, Domain Users etc..
Why is it that these 2 mentioned and others are in the Users instead of
in the Built in, what is the difference between the 2 containers ?


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Re: Built in vs Users container [message #161373 is a reply to message #161370] Thu, 24 September 2009 00:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"aconti" <aconti.3z057d@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message
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>
> Hello the built in container has all the groups installed by default on
> a DC. In the Users container there are also many security groups that
> were there by default for example, Domain Admins, Domain Users etc..
> Why is it that these 2 mentioned and others are in the Users instead of
> in the Built in, what is the difference between the 2 containers ?
>
>
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> aconti


The following was quoted from:
Understanding Active Directory Containers
http://www.brighthub.com/computing/windows-platform/articles /33795.aspx#ixzz0S0G7gWRN

Users - Much like how Computers and Servers joined to the domain are
auto-dumped into the Computers container, Users of all levels are
automatically placed inside the Users container.

Builtin - Builtin does much what its name implies. It is the container that
stores default groups, such as Backup Operators, Server Operators, and Group
Policy Creator Owners. These groups are preconfigured with permissions to
perform specific tasks that administrators will often make use of.

I hope that helps!


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http://www.brighthub.com/computing/windows-platform/articles /33795.aspx#ixzz0S0G7gWRN
Re: Built in vs Users container [message #161376 is a reply to message #161370] Thu, 24 September 2009 04:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
meiweb  is currently offline meiweb  Germany
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Hello aconti,

Builtin container contains groups that are defined with domain local scope.
And the Users container contains groups that are defined with global scope
and groups that are defined with domain local scope.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc756898(WS.10).aspx

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc728418(WS.10).aspx

Also keep ino mind that on containers you can't apply GPOs.

Best regards

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> Hello the built in container has all the groups installed by default
> on a DC. In the Users container there are also many security groups
> that were there by default for example, Domain Admins, Domain Users
> etc.. Why is it that these 2 mentioned and others are in the Users
> instead of in the Built in, what is the difference between the 2
> containers ?
>
> http://forums.techarena.in
>
Re: Built in vs Users container [message #161377 is a reply to message #161370] Thu, 24 September 2009 08:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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aconti <aconti.3z057d@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:
> Hello the built in container has all the groups installed by default
> on a DC. In the Users container there are also many security groups
> that were there by default for example, Domain Admins, Domain Users
> etc.. Why is it that these 2 mentioned and others are in the Users
> instead of in the Built in, what is the difference between the 2
> containers ?

To add to the other replies - always create your own OU heirarchy, and don't
just use the default containers.

I like something like this>

Domain.local
|
<all the built-in stuff>
|
My Company Name
|
Servers
|
Workstations
|
Users
|
Security Groups
|
Distribution Groups


<you get the picture>

You can also organize things by site, department, etc. - whatever makes the
most sense for you.
Re: Built in vs Users container [message #161397 is a reply to message #161377] Thu, 24 September 2009 23:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thank you all very helpful


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Re: Built in vs Users container [message #161414 is a reply to message #161397] Fri, 25 September 2009 07:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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aconti <aconti.3z22ne@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:
> Thank you all very helpful

You're very welcome.

As an aside, please don't use the horrible Techarena forums to access the
newsgroups.
The interface doesn't quote properly, and people using Techarena often reply
to posts no longer on the news server, so it's unlikely that anyone will
know what they're talking about.

Try using a news client, such as Forte Agent, Thunderbird, or even Outlook
Express, instead. It's a lot easier to do nearly everything that way. You
can mark messages to be watched, filter the views so you can see replies to
your posts easily, and search.

The Microsoft public news server is msnews.microsoft.com and you can
subscribe to as many groups as you like; no authentication is required.

The following is from a post by MVP Malke ...

-------------------------------------------------------
Here's information on Usenet and using a newsreader:

http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page3.html#12-09-02 - a brief
explanation of newsgroups
http://michaelstevenstech.com/outlo...ssnewreader.htm
http://rickrogers.org/setupoe.htm
http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...wto/default.asp
- Set Up Newsreader

http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
http://aumha.org/nntp.htm - list of MS newsgroups
microsoft.public.test.here - MS group to test if your newsreader is
working properly
http://www.mailmsg.com/SPAM_munging.htm - how to munge email address
http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting vs.
crossposting

Some newsreaders for Windows
http://www.forteinc.com/agent/index.php - for Forte
http://www.mozilla.org (Thunderbird does newsgroups)
http://gravity.tbates.org/

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Re: Built in vs Users container [message #161416 is a reply to message #161397] Fri, 25 September 2009 07:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> Thank you all very helpful
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You're welcome. And I would follow Lanwench's suggestions to move away from
Techarena and post directly to the Microsoft newsgroups. That's where
Techarena posts and pulls newsgroups from anyway, so why not go directly to
the source? It's free. :-)

Ace
Re: Built in vs Users container [message #161427 is a reply to message #161416] Fri, 25 September 2009 23:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sure I will follow your suggestions and try to set it up.

So which news client you would recommend out of the three given ?

Then I need to setup a news account on it with the server being
msnews.microsoft.com right ?

Then I can post directly from the news client instead from the website,
I will have a look at the links you provided to check how can I
subscribe to a news feed

Will try to set it up this evening and let you know

Thank you


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Re: Built in vs Users container [message #161430 is a reply to message #161427] Sat, 26 September 2009 12:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"aconti" <aconti.3z3ujd@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message
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> Sure I will follow your suggestions and try to set it up.
>
> So which news client you would recommend out of the three given ?
>
> Then I need to setup a news account on it with the server being
> msnews.microsoft.com right ?
>
> Then I can post directly from the news client instead from the website,
> I will have a look at the links you provided to check how can I
> subscribe to a news feed
>
> Will try to set it up this evening and let you know
>
> Thank you
>
>
> --
> aconti

You can simply use Outlook Express in XP or Windows Mail in Vista or Windows
7.

You can follow this link for step by step to create a news account. Although
it is for Express, Windows Mail works the same:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup .mspx

Then once you've set it up, you can look at all the newsgroups out there.
Look specifically at the ones that start with
microsoft.public.windows.server.<something> and choose from there. You are
currently posting to the microsoft.public.windows.server.active_directory,
so you can subscribe to that one for starters. There is also .networking,
..dns, .general, .and many others. When posting, post to the relevant
newsgroup for your questions. Don't forget to setup a signature.

Ace
Re: Built in vs Users container [message #161435 is a reply to message #161430] Sat, 26 September 2009 13:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thank you I managed and my new username is Netman for future reference

I will post soon :)


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Re: Built in vs Users container [message #161436 is a reply to message #161435] Sat, 26 September 2009 20:25 Go to previous message
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"aconti" <aconti.3z507c@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message
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> Thank you I managed and my new username is Netman for future reference
>
> I will post soon :)
>
>
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Sounds good, Netman! :-)

Looking forward to your new post(s) from your newly setup newsreader.

Cheers!

Ace
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