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Clients do not inherit all configured settings on print server [message #163259] Tue, 26 May 2009 14:27 Go to next message
lanwench  is currently offline lanwench  United States
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Registered: July 2009
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Environment(s):
AD
Windows Server 2000 and 2003
Clients: XP Pro
Printers: predominantly HP LaserJets, directly networked, using standard
TCP/IP ports & shared on servers
Users connect to printers via "point & print" or con2prt.exe in batch
file/script

Q: Is there any way to force the client to inherit *all* the print driver
settings from the shared printer on the server? Some of them do, some don't,
and I can't find any specific reason. For example, on a plotter, I can set
up the driver on the shared printer on the server with the correct paper
type, roll, etc. - and the client connecting for the first time gets only
the vanilla stuff and has to re-do it from scratch. This has happened with
numerous printer types over the years.

If each user customizes it themselves it's fine - *until* that printer is
removed from their profile and re-added. Then it's back to vanilla again.
Really, really annoying.

In one of the offices I'm working on now, the new print server runs Windows
Storage Server 2003 x64 R2, and I believe there are options for pushprinter
and group policy deployment that I know very little about - will that make
any difference? I can't test that for a while as we're doing a domain
upgrade and I don't want to create any new GPOs til we're on 2008. But if
anyone thinks that will make a difference I'd be thrilled to know it.

In the meantime, any other suggestions?
Re: Clients do not inherit all configured settings on print server [message #163321 is a reply to message #163259] Thu, 28 May 2009 16:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
alanmo  is currently offline alanmo  United States
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Make sure you are configuring the settings on the Advanced page of Printer
Properties.

--
Alan Morris
Windows Printing Team
Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
<lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:u55xcmt3JHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Environment(s):
> AD
> Windows Server 2000 and 2003
> Clients: XP Pro
> Printers: predominantly HP LaserJets, directly networked, using standard
> TCP/IP ports & shared on servers
> Users connect to printers via "point & print" or con2prt.exe in batch
> file/script
>
> Q: Is there any way to force the client to inherit *all* the print driver
> settings from the shared printer on the server? Some of them do, some
> don't, and I can't find any specific reason. For example, on a plotter, I
> can set up the driver on the shared printer on the server with the correct
> paper type, roll, etc. - and the client connecting for the first time gets
> only the vanilla stuff and has to re-do it from scratch. This has happened
> with numerous printer types over the years.
>
> If each user customizes it themselves it's fine - *until* that printer is
> removed from their profile and re-added. Then it's back to vanilla again.
> Really, really annoying.
>
> In one of the offices I'm working on now, the new print server runs
> Windows Storage Server 2003 x64 R2, and I believe there are options for
> pushprinter and group policy deployment that I know very little about -
> will that make any difference? I can't test that for a while as we're
> doing a domain upgrade and I don't want to create any new GPOs til we're
> on 2008. But if anyone thinks that will make a difference I'd be thrilled
> to know it.
>
> In the meantime, any other suggestions?
>
Re: Clients do not inherit all configured settings on print server [message #163343 is a reply to message #163321] Fri, 29 May 2009 09:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lanwench  is currently offline lanwench  United States
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Alan Morris [MSFT] <alanmo@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
> Make sure you are configuring the settings on the Advanced page of
> Printer Properties.

Thanks for the reply, Alan. I never even noticed that I could set those
options in more than one place. If this fixes it, that's great (and I will
feel like an idiot for not having found it before, but I'll get over it).

I have just gone into the plotter's Advanced tab, and made the changes in
the Printing Defaults.. I'll test today and post back with the results.
>
>
> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in
> message news:u55xcmt3JHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Environment(s):
>> AD
>> Windows Server 2000 and 2003
>> Clients: XP Pro
>> Printers: predominantly HP LaserJets, directly networked, using
>> standard TCP/IP ports & shared on servers
>> Users connect to printers via "point & print" or con2prt.exe in batch
>> file/script
>>
>> Q: Is there any way to force the client to inherit *all* the print
>> driver settings from the shared printer on the server? Some of them
>> do, some don't, and I can't find any specific reason. For example,
>> on a plotter, I can set up the driver on the shared printer on the
>> server with the correct paper type, roll, etc. - and the client
>> connecting for the first time gets only the vanilla stuff and has to
>> re-do it from scratch. This has happened with numerous printer types
>> over the years. If each user customizes it themselves it's fine - *until*
>> that
>> printer is removed from their profile and re-added. Then it's back
>> to vanilla again. Really, really annoying.
>>
>> In one of the offices I'm working on now, the new print server runs
>> Windows Storage Server 2003 x64 R2, and I believe there are options
>> for pushprinter and group policy deployment that I know very little
>> about - will that make any difference? I can't test that for a while
>> as we're doing a domain upgrade and I don't want to create any new
>> GPOs til we're on 2008. But if anyone thinks that will make a
>> difference I'd be thrilled to know it.
>>
>> In the meantime, any other suggestions?
Re: Clients do not inherit all configured settings on print server [message #163371 is a reply to message #163343] Fri, 29 May 2009 21:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lanwench  is currently offline lanwench  United States
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Registered: July 2009
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Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
<lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:
> Alan Morris [MSFT] <alanmo@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> Make sure you are configuring the settings on the Advanced page of
>> Printer Properties.
>
> Thanks for the reply, Alan. I never even noticed that I could set
> those options in more than one place. If this fixes it, that's great
> (and I will feel like an idiot for not having found it before, but
> I'll get over it).
> I have just gone into the plotter's Advanced tab, and made the
> changes in the Printing Defaults.. I'll test today and post back with
> the results.

No dice. A few of the settings came over, but not most. Any other
suggestions?
The server I am now testing on is Windows Storage Server 2003 R2 x64.
Clients are XP Pro.



>>
>>
>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in
>> message news:u55xcmt3JHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Environment(s):
>>> AD
>>> Windows Server 2000 and 2003
>>> Clients: XP Pro
>>> Printers: predominantly HP LaserJets, directly networked, using
>>> standard TCP/IP ports & shared on servers
>>> Users connect to printers via "point & print" or con2prt.exe in
>>> batch file/script
>>>
>>> Q: Is there any way to force the client to inherit *all* the print
>>> driver settings from the shared printer on the server? Some of them
>>> do, some don't, and I can't find any specific reason. For example,
>>> on a plotter, I can set up the driver on the shared printer on the
>>> server with the correct paper type, roll, etc. - and the client
>>> connecting for the first time gets only the vanilla stuff and has to
>>> re-do it from scratch. This has happened with numerous printer types
>>> over the years. If each user customizes it themselves it's fine -
>>> *until* that
>>> printer is removed from their profile and re-added. Then it's back
>>> to vanilla again. Really, really annoying.
>>>
>>> In one of the offices I'm working on now, the new print server runs
>>> Windows Storage Server 2003 x64 R2, and I believe there are options
>>> for pushprinter and group policy deployment that I know very little
>>> about - will that make any difference? I can't test that for a while
>>> as we're doing a domain upgrade and I don't want to create any new
>>> GPOs til we're on 2008. But if anyone thinks that will make a
>>> difference I'd be thrilled to know it.
>>>
>>> In the meantime, any other suggestions?
Re: Clients do not inherit all configured settings on print server [message #163373 is a reply to message #163371] Sat, 30 May 2009 01:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DaveMills  is currently offline DaveMills  United Kingdom
Messages: 335
Registered: July 2009
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On Fri, 29 May 2009 21:29:08 -0400, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
<lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:

>Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
><lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:
>> Alan Morris [MSFT] <alanmo@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>> Make sure you are configuring the settings on the Advanced page of
>>> Printer Properties.
>>
>> Thanks for the reply, Alan. I never even noticed that I could set
>> those options in more than one place. If this fixes it, that's great
>> (and I will feel like an idiot for not having found it before, but
>> I'll get over it).
>> I have just gone into the plotter's Advanced tab, and made the
>> changes in the Printing Defaults.. I'll test today and post back with
>> the results.
>
>No dice. A few of the settings came over, but not most. Any other
>suggestions?
>The server I am now testing on is Windows Storage Server 2003 R2 x64.
>Clients are XP Pro.

I have always found this a difficult thing to get right. Being in the UK and not
USA it is one that crops up all the time. My understanding is that on the server
the printer has two sets of parameters, the General Tab/Printing preferences and
the Advanced tab/Printer defaults.

The General Tab/Printing Preferences are the settings that determine how the
local PC prints the document.
The "Printer Defaults" are the settings that get copied to the local PC when a
connection is made to the printer for the first time.

When connecting to a printer subsequently then I am not sure but it may be
driver and application dependant. I think the intention is that the local
printer preferences are not changed unless the local printer is first deleted
but I think some drivers may not follow this and will reset to the server
defaults on reconnection.

As for applications, Word seems to take a copy of the printer preferences to
construct the page setup for the document. These application setting then
override the Preferences" so making changes either the local printer preference
or the server defaults does not affect the page setup. For example if I install
a printer on a server and leave "Letter" instead of "A4" in the Advanced/Printer
Defaults. Now connect to the printer and set it as default. Then create a new
Word document and save it. "Letter" is embedded in the document page setup. Now
even if I change the server defaults to "A4" and the local Printer Preference to
"A4" the documents previously created are still all set for "Letter".

I have never quite managed to work out all the combinations I just know that
when I set up a printer I must make sure all the settings are correct before
letting anyone connect to it if I want to avoid trouble.

>
>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in
>>> message news:u55xcmt3JHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Environment(s):
>>>> AD
>>>> Windows Server 2000 and 2003
>>>> Clients: XP Pro
>>>> Printers: predominantly HP LaserJets, directly networked, using
>>>> standard TCP/IP ports & shared on servers
>>>> Users connect to printers via "point & print" or con2prt.exe in
>>>> batch file/script
>>>>
>>>> Q: Is there any way to force the client to inherit *all* the print
>>>> driver settings from the shared printer on the server? Some of them
>>>> do, some don't, and I can't find any specific reason. For example,
>>>> on a plotter, I can set up the driver on the shared printer on the
>>>> server with the correct paper type, roll, etc. - and the client
>>>> connecting for the first time gets only the vanilla stuff and has to
>>>> re-do it from scratch. This has happened with numerous printer types
>>>> over the years. If each user customizes it themselves it's fine -
>>>> *until* that
>>>> printer is removed from their profile and re-added. Then it's back
>>>> to vanilla again. Really, really annoying.
>>>>
>>>> In one of the offices I'm working on now, the new print server runs
>>>> Windows Storage Server 2003 x64 R2, and I believe there are options
>>>> for pushprinter and group policy deployment that I know very little
>>>> about - will that make any difference? I can't test that for a while
>>>> as we're doing a domain upgrade and I don't want to create any new
>>>> GPOs til we're on 2008. But if anyone thinks that will make a
>>>> difference I'd be thrilled to know it.
>>>>
>>>> In the meantime, any other suggestions?
>
>
--
Dave Mills
There are 10 types of people, those that understand binary and those that don't.
Re: Clients do not inherit all configured settings on print server [message #163387 is a reply to message #163373] Sat, 30 May 2009 10:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lanwench  is currently offline lanwench  United States
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DaveMills <DaveMills@newsgroup.nospam> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 May 2009 21:29:08 -0400, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Alan Morris [MSFT] <alanmo@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>> Make sure you are configuring the settings on the Advanced page of
>>>> Printer Properties.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the reply, Alan. I never even noticed that I could set
>>> those options in more than one place. If this fixes it, that's great
>>> (and I will feel like an idiot for not having found it before, but
>>> I'll get over it).
>>> I have just gone into the plotter's Advanced tab, and made the
>>> changes in the Printing Defaults.. I'll test today and post back
>>> with the results.
>>
>> No dice. A few of the settings came over, but not most. Any other
>> suggestions?
>> The server I am now testing on is Windows Storage Server 2003 R2 x64.
>> Clients are XP Pro.
>
> I have always found this a difficult thing to get right. Being in the
> UK and not USA it is one that crops up all the time. My understanding
> is that on the server the printer has two sets of parameters, the
> General Tab/Printing preferences and the Advanced tab/Printer
> defaults.
>
> The General Tab/Printing Preferences are the settings that determine
> how the local PC prints the document.
> The "Printer Defaults" are the settings that get copied to the local
> PC when a connection is made to the printer for the first time.
>
> When connecting to a printer subsequently then I am not sure but it
> may be driver and application dependant. I think the intention is
> that the local printer preferences are not changed unless the local
> printer is first deleted but I think some drivers may not follow this
> and will reset to the server defaults on reconnection.
>
> As for applications, Word seems to take a copy of the printer
> preferences to construct the page setup for the document. These
> application setting then override the Preferences" so making changes
> either the local printer preference or the server defaults does not
> affect the page setup. For example if I install a printer on a server
> and leave "Letter" instead of "A4" in the Advanced/Printer Defaults.
> Now connect to the printer and set it as default. Then create a new
> Word document and save it. "Letter" is embedded in the document page
> setup. Now even if I change the server defaults to "A4" and the local
> Printer Preference to "A4" the documents previously created are still
> all set for "Letter".
>
> I have never quite managed to work out all the combinations I just
> know that when I set up a printer I must make sure all the settings
> are correct before letting anyone connect to it if I want to avoid
> trouble.

Yep. The problem is that, despite my setting up everything correctly in the
default settings in the print driver on the server, the clients are not
inheriting all of them when they connect to that printer for the first time.
And if I correct the settings on the client-side printer, if I delete it and
re-add it, it goes back to the same settings it first inherited (which are
incomplete/incorrect).


>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>>>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in
>>>> message news:u55xcmt3JHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Environment(s):
>>>>> AD
>>>>> Windows Server 2000 and 2003
>>>>> Clients: XP Pro
>>>>> Printers: predominantly HP LaserJets, directly networked, using
>>>>> standard TCP/IP ports & shared on servers
>>>>> Users connect to printers via "point & print" or con2prt.exe in
>>>>> batch file/script
>>>>>
>>>>> Q: Is there any way to force the client to inherit *all* the print
>>>>> driver settings from the shared printer on the server? Some of
>>>>> them do, some don't, and I can't find any specific reason. For
>>>>> example, on a plotter, I can set up the driver on the shared
>>>>> printer on the server with the correct paper type, roll, etc. -
>>>>> and the client connecting for the first time gets only the
>>>>> vanilla stuff and has to re-do it from scratch. This has happened
>>>>> with numerous printer types over the years. If each user
>>>>> customizes it themselves it's fine - *until* that
>>>>> printer is removed from their profile and re-added. Then it's back
>>>>> to vanilla again. Really, really annoying.
>>>>>
>>>>> In one of the offices I'm working on now, the new print server
>>>>> runs Windows Storage Server 2003 x64 R2, and I believe there are
>>>>> options for pushprinter and group policy deployment that I know
>>>>> very little about - will that make any difference? I can't test
>>>>> that for a while as we're doing a domain upgrade and I don't want
>>>>> to create any new GPOs til we're on 2008. But if anyone thinks
>>>>> that will make a difference I'd be thrilled to know it.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the meantime, any other suggestions?
Re: Clients do not inherit all configured settings on print server [message #163445 is a reply to message #163387] Mon, 01 June 2009 14:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lanwench  is currently offline lanwench  United States
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Alan Morris [MSFT] <alanmo@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
> the settings on the General Tab are per user settings. The settings
> on the Advanced tab are default settings that are migrated to per
> user settings if none exist on the client.

Yes; those are what I modified as per your prior suggestion. Alas.
>
>
> Delete the connection on the client. Delete the print driver from the
> client. (I'd poke in the HKCU registry and see if there is any
> indication of printer or driver settings under Printers). Stop the
> print spooler service , start the print spooler service, then add the
> connection and verify settings.
>
>
> There are two parts to the printer device mode, the public portion (OS
> accessible) and the private portion (driver specific section
> controlled by the driver). If the issue is in the private portion of
> the devmode, you would need to verify with vendor that this portion
> is not modified by the driver at install time.

Thank you, Alan. I will test this afternoon with a brand-new user account
which has never had any connection to the printer or print server.
>
>
>
>
> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in
> message news:ONRJnJT4JHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> DaveMills <DaveMills@newsgroup.nospam> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 29 May 2009 21:29:08 -0400, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
>>>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Alan Morris [MSFT] <alanmo@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Make sure you are configuring the settings on the Advanced page
>>>>>> of Printer Properties.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the reply, Alan. I never even noticed that I could set
>>>>> those options in more than one place. If this fixes it, that's
>>>>> great (and I will feel like an idiot for not having found it
>>>>> before, but I'll get over it).
>>>>> I have just gone into the plotter's Advanced tab, and made the
>>>>> changes in the Printing Defaults.. I'll test today and post back
>>>>> with the results.
>>>>
>>>> No dice. A few of the settings came over, but not most. Any other
>>>> suggestions?
>>>> The server I am now testing on is Windows Storage Server 2003 R2
>>>> x64. Clients are XP Pro.
>>>
>>> I have always found this a difficult thing to get right. Being in
>>> the UK and not USA it is one that crops up all the time. My
>>> understanding is that on the server the printer has two sets of
>>> parameters, the General Tab/Printing preferences and the Advanced
>>> tab/Printer defaults.
>>>
>>> The General Tab/Printing Preferences are the settings that determine
>>> how the local PC prints the document.
>>> The "Printer Defaults" are the settings that get copied to the local
>>> PC when a connection is made to the printer for the first time.
>>>
>>> When connecting to a printer subsequently then I am not sure but it
>>> may be driver and application dependant. I think the intention is
>>> that the local printer preferences are not changed unless the local
>>> printer is first deleted but I think some drivers may not follow
>>> this and will reset to the server defaults on reconnection.
>>>
>>> As for applications, Word seems to take a copy of the printer
>>> preferences to construct the page setup for the document. These
>>> application setting then override the Preferences" so making changes
>>> either the local printer preference or the server defaults does not
>>> affect the page setup. For example if I install a printer on a
>>> server and leave "Letter" instead of "A4" in the Advanced/Printer
>>> Defaults. Now connect to the printer and set it as default. Then
>>> create a new Word document and save it. "Letter" is embedded in the
>>> document page setup. Now even if I change the server defaults to
>>> "A4" and the local Printer Preference to "A4" the documents
>>> previously created are still all set for "Letter".
>>>
>>> I have never quite managed to work out all the combinations I just
>>> know that when I set up a printer I must make sure all the settings
>>> are correct before letting anyone connect to it if I want to avoid
>>> trouble.
>>
>> Yep. The problem is that, despite my setting up everything correctly
>> in the default settings in the print driver on the server, the
>> clients are not inheriting all of them when they connect to that
>> printer for the first time. And if I correct the settings on the
>> client-side printer, if I delete it and re-add it, it goes back to
>> the same settings it first inherited (which are
>> incomplete/incorrect).
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>>>>>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote
>>>>>> in message news:u55xcmt3JHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Environment(s):
>>>>>>> AD
>>>>>>> Windows Server 2000 and 2003
>>>>>>> Clients: XP Pro
>>>>>>> Printers: predominantly HP LaserJets, directly networked, using
>>>>>>> standard TCP/IP ports & shared on servers
>>>>>>> Users connect to printers via "point & print" or con2prt.exe in
>>>>>>> batch file/script
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Q: Is there any way to force the client to inherit *all* the
>>>>>>> print driver settings from the shared printer on the server?
>>>>>>> Some of them do, some don't, and I can't find any specific
>>>>>>> reason. For example, on a plotter, I can set up the driver on
>>>>>>> the shared printer on the server with the correct paper type,
>>>>>>> roll, etc. - and the client connecting for the first time gets
>>>>>>> only the vanilla stuff and has to re-do it from scratch. This
>>>>>>> has happened with numerous printer types over the years. If
>>>>>>> each user customizes it themselves it's fine - *until* that
>>>>>>> printer is removed from their profile and re-added. Then it's
>>>>>>> back to vanilla again. Really, really annoying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In one of the offices I'm working on now, the new print server
>>>>>>> runs Windows Storage Server 2003 x64 R2, and I believe there are
>>>>>>> options for pushprinter and group policy deployment that I know
>>>>>>> very little about - will that make any difference? I can't test
>>>>>>> that for a while as we're doing a domain upgrade and I don't
>>>>>>> want to create any new GPOs til we're on 2008. But if anyone
>>>>>>> thinks that will make a difference I'd be thrilled to know it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the meantime, any other suggestions?
Re: Clients do not inherit all configured settings on print server [message #163446 is a reply to message #163387] Mon, 01 June 2009 14:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
alanmo  is currently offline alanmo  United States
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the settings on the General Tab are per user settings. The settings on the
Advanced tab are default settings that are migrated to per user settings if
none exist on the client.


Delete the connection on the client. Delete the print driver from the
client. (I'd poke in the HKCU registry and see if there is any indication
of printer or driver settings under Printers). Stop the print spooler
service , start the print spooler service, then add the connection and
verify settings.


There are two parts to the printer device mode, the public portion (OS
accessible) and the private portion (driver specific section controlled by
the driver). If the issue is in the private portion of the devmode, you
would need to verify with vendor that this portion is not modified by the
driver at install time.



--
Alan Morris
Windows Printing Team
Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
<lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> DaveMills <DaveMills@newsgroup.nospam> wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 May 2009 21:29:08 -0400, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
>>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Alan Morris [MSFT] <alanmo@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>> Make sure you are configuring the settings on the Advanced page of
>>>>> Printer Properties.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the reply, Alan. I never even noticed that I could set
>>>> those options in more than one place. If this fixes it, that's great
>>>> (and I will feel like an idiot for not having found it before, but
>>>> I'll get over it).
>>>> I have just gone into the plotter's Advanced tab, and made the
>>>> changes in the Printing Defaults.. I'll test today and post back
>>>> with the results.
>>>
>>> No dice. A few of the settings came over, but not most. Any other
>>> suggestions?
>>> The server I am now testing on is Windows Storage Server 2003 R2 x64.
>>> Clients are XP Pro.
>>
>> I have always found this a difficult thing to get right. Being in the
>> UK and not USA it is one that crops up all the time. My understanding
>> is that on the server the printer has two sets of parameters, the
>> General Tab/Printing preferences and the Advanced tab/Printer
>> defaults.
>>
>> The General Tab/Printing Preferences are the settings that determine
>> how the local PC prints the document.
>> The "Printer Defaults" are the settings that get copied to the local
>> PC when a connection is made to the printer for the first time.
>>
>> When connecting to a printer subsequently then I am not sure but it
>> may be driver and application dependant. I think the intention is
>> that the local printer preferences are not changed unless the local
>> printer is first deleted but I think some drivers may not follow this
>> and will reset to the server defaults on reconnection.
>>
>> As for applications, Word seems to take a copy of the printer
>> preferences to construct the page setup for the document. These
>> application setting then override the Preferences" so making changes
>> either the local printer preference or the server defaults does not
>> affect the page setup. For example if I install a printer on a server
>> and leave "Letter" instead of "A4" in the Advanced/Printer Defaults.
>> Now connect to the printer and set it as default. Then create a new
>> Word document and save it. "Letter" is embedded in the document page
>> setup. Now even if I change the server defaults to "A4" and the local
>> Printer Preference to "A4" the documents previously created are still
>> all set for "Letter".
>>
>> I have never quite managed to work out all the combinations I just
>> know that when I set up a printer I must make sure all the settings
>> are correct before letting anyone connect to it if I want to avoid
>> trouble.
>
> Yep. The problem is that, despite my setting up everything correctly in
> the default settings in the print driver on the server, the clients are
> not inheriting all of them when they connect to that printer for the first
> time. And if I correct the settings on the client-side printer, if I
> delete it and re-add it, it goes back to the same settings it first
> inherited (which are incomplete/incorrect).
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>>>>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>> message news:u55xcmt3JHA.4632@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Environment(s):
>>>>>> AD
>>>>>> Windows Server 2000 and 2003
>>>>>> Clients: XP Pro
>>>>>> Printers: predominantly HP LaserJets, directly networked, using
>>>>>> standard TCP/IP ports & shared on servers
>>>>>> Users connect to printers via "point & print" or con2prt.exe in
>>>>>> batch file/script
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Q: Is there any way to force the client to inherit *all* the print
>>>>>> driver settings from the shared printer on the server? Some of
>>>>>> them do, some don't, and I can't find any specific reason. For
>>>>>> example, on a plotter, I can set up the driver on the shared
>>>>>> printer on the server with the correct paper type, roll, etc. -
>>>>>> and the client connecting for the first time gets only the
>>>>>> vanilla stuff and has to re-do it from scratch. This has happened
>>>>>> with numerous printer types over the years. If each user
>>>>>> customizes it themselves it's fine - *until* that
>>>>>> printer is removed from their profile and re-added. Then it's back
>>>>>> to vanilla again. Really, really annoying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In one of the offices I'm working on now, the new print server
>>>>>> runs Windows Storage Server 2003 x64 R2, and I believe there are
>>>>>> options for pushprinter and group policy deployment that I know
>>>>>> very little about - will that make any difference? I can't test
>>>>>> that for a while as we're doing a domain upgrade and I don't want
>>>>>> to create any new GPOs til we're on 2008. But if anyone thinks
>>>>>> that will make a difference I'd be thrilled to know it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the meantime, any other suggestions?
>
>
>
Re: Clients do not inherit all configured settings on print server [message #163474 is a reply to message #163445] Tue, 02 June 2009 11:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lanwench  is currently offline lanwench  United States
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Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
<lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:
> Alan Morris [MSFT] <alanmo@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> the settings on the General Tab are per user settings. The settings
>> on the Advanced tab are default settings that are migrated to per
>> user settings if none exist on the client.
>
> Yes; those are what I modified as per your prior suggestion. Alas.
>>
>>
>> Delete the connection on the client. Delete the print driver from
>> the client. (I'd poke in the HKCU registry and see if there is any
>> indication of printer or driver settings under Printers). Stop the
>> print spooler service , start the print spooler service, then add the
>> connection and verify settings.
>>
>>
>> There are two parts to the printer device mode, the public portion
>> (OS accessible) and the private portion (driver specific section
>> controlled by the driver). If the issue is in the private portion of
>> the devmode, you would need to verify with vendor that this portion
>> is not modified by the driver at install time.
>
> Thank you, Alan. I will test this afternoon with a brand-new user
> account which has never had any connection to the printer or print
> server.

No dice, again. Brand new domain user account, settings didn't come down
properly.

Argle. I doubt HP is going to help me out with this.
Re: Clients do not inherit all configured settings on print server [message #163477 is a reply to message #163474] Tue, 02 June 2009 12:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
alanmo  is currently offline alanmo  United States
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do you get the settings that would normally be the defaults when setting up
a local printer using this driver the first time? If you are the driver is
taking the defaults from an ini or cfg file. I pinged one of the HP driver
developers here for a file name.

Start poking or call HP to find out the file for your device.
--
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"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
<lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%23fEhHX54JHA.1528@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:
>> Alan Morris [MSFT] <alanmo@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>> the settings on the General Tab are per user settings. The settings
>>> on the Advanced tab are default settings that are migrated to per
>>> user settings if none exist on the client.
>>
>> Yes; those are what I modified as per your prior suggestion. Alas.
>>>
>>>
>>> Delete the connection on the client. Delete the print driver from
>>> the client. (I'd poke in the HKCU registry and see if there is any
>>> indication of printer or driver settings under Printers). Stop the
>>> print spooler service , start the print spooler service, then add the
>>> connection and verify settings.
>>>
>>>
>>> There are two parts to the printer device mode, the public portion
>>> (OS accessible) and the private portion (driver specific section
>>> controlled by the driver). If the issue is in the private portion of
>>> the devmode, you would need to verify with vendor that this portion
>>> is not modified by the driver at install time.
>>
>> Thank you, Alan. I will test this afternoon with a brand-new user
>> account which has never had any connection to the printer or print
>> server.
>
> No dice, again. Brand new domain user account, settings didn't come down
> properly.
>
> Argle. I doubt HP is going to help me out with this.
>
>
Re: Clients do not inherit all configured settings on print server [message #163479 is a reply to message #163477] Tue, 02 June 2009 13:49 Go to previous message
alanmo  is currently offline alanmo  United States
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from HP



device configuration or job settings?



There is a .cfg file for device auto configuration and .exp file for default
job settings, if I remember right (inbox does not work that way). But you
need to have utility to modify them not recommended manually.



This is for HP laser hp.com driver in general.




--
Alan Morris
Windows Printing Team
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http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1

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"Alan Morris [MSFT]" <alanmo@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:eTRMt354JHA.3860@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> do you get the settings that would normally be the defaults when setting
> up a local printer using this driver the first time? If you are the
> driver is taking the defaults from an ini or cfg file. I pinged one of
> the HP driver developers here for a file name.
>
> Start poking or call HP to find out the file for your device.
> --
> Alan Morris
> Windows Printing Team
> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>
> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in
> message news:%23fEhHX54JHA.1528@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]
>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Alan Morris [MSFT] <alanmo@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>> the settings on the General Tab are per user settings. The settings
>>>> on the Advanced tab are default settings that are migrated to per
>>>> user settings if none exist on the client.
>>>
>>> Yes; those are what I modified as per your prior suggestion. Alas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Delete the connection on the client. Delete the print driver from
>>>> the client. (I'd poke in the HKCU registry and see if there is any
>>>> indication of printer or driver settings under Printers). Stop the
>>>> print spooler service , start the print spooler service, then add the
>>>> connection and verify settings.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There are two parts to the printer device mode, the public portion
>>>> (OS accessible) and the private portion (driver specific section
>>>> controlled by the driver). If the issue is in the private portion of
>>>> the devmode, you would need to verify with vendor that this portion
>>>> is not modified by the driver at install time.
>>>
>>> Thank you, Alan. I will test this afternoon with a brand-new user
>>> account which has never had any connection to the printer or print
>>> server.
>>
>> No dice, again. Brand new domain user account, settings didn't come down
>> properly.
>>
>> Argle. I doubt HP is going to help me out with this.
>>
>>
>
>
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