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PAE switch [message #163751] Sat, 06 June 2009 11:31 Go to next message
Joey  is currently offline Joey  United States
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When do I put in the PAE switch?

I have windows 2003 standard edition with 4GB ram. boot.ini has this

[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Windows Server 2003, Standard"
/noexecute=optout /fastdetect

problem is server alwasys freeezing up. Do I need /PAE or can I put

/3GB switch with /USERVA=3030?
Re: PAE switch [message #163753 is a reply to message #163751] Sat, 06 June 2009 14:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
meiweb(nospam)  is currently offline meiweb(nospam)  Germany
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Hello joey,

What happens when the server freeze? Did you check the event viewer for errors
when it is not freezed?

/PAE or /3GB will not solve your problems, it is intended when you have more
then 4GB RAM in the server, which requires 64bit within SE, 32bit maximum
is 4GB for SE.

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
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> When do I put in the PAE switch?
>
> I have windows 2003 standard edition with 4GB ram. boot.ini has this
>
> [boot loader]
> timeout=30
> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
> [operating systems]
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Windows Server 2003,
> Standard"
> /noexecute=optout /fastdetect
> problem is server alwasys freeezing up. Do I need /PAE or can I put
>
> /3GB switch with /USERVA=3030?
>
Re: PAE switch [message #163754 is a reply to message #163751] Sat, 06 June 2009 15:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
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"Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
news:eDy8Qvr5JHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> When do I put in the PAE switch?
>
> I have windows 2003 standard edition with 4GB ram. boot.ini has this
>
> [boot loader]
> timeout=30
> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
> [operating systems]
> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Windows Server 2003,
> Standard" /noexecute=optout /fastdetect
>
> problem is server alwasys freeezing up. Do I need /PAE or can I put
>
> /3GB switch with /USERVA=3030?
>
>
>


I don't believe the /pae switch will help with freezing up. That's usually a
driver or an app causing it. Is Exchange installed? If so, have you run the
ExBPA? That will tell you exactly what you need. Otherwise, what's installed
on the machine?

I don't know what type of machine you have., but if the server is a
non-Intel CPU machine, the /pae won't work, nor if it is a 64 bit system. I
would suggest using the /USERVA=3030 and /3GB switches.

If you have 4gb of RAM, there is no real point to use the /pae, because it
is designed to physically address RAM above 4GB. This is because with 32bit
architecture, you can only count to up to 4GB. You can test that by putting
in 32 bits in the calculator as Binary, then change it to Decimal.
Therefore, how does the system access the RAM above it? PAE is the answer.

For more info on Physical Address Extensions, please read the following.

Physical Address Extension - PAE Memory and Windows
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAE drv.mspx

Operating Systems and PAE Support
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/pae _os.mspx

--
Ace

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Microsoft Certified Trainer
aceman@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org

For urgent issues, you may want to contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please
check http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers.

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Re: PAE switch [message #163757 is a reply to message #163753] Sat, 06 June 2009 16:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dennis  is currently offline dennis  Denmark
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Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS] wrote:

> /PAE or /3GB will not solve your problems, it is intended when you have
> more then 4GB RAM in the server, which requires 64bit within SE, 32bit
> maximum is 4GB for SE.

When memory remapping is enabled then the total amount of memory to be
address is also larger than 4GB in such a configuration.
Re: PAE switch [message #163759 is a reply to message #163754] Sat, 06 June 2009 17:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joey  is currently offline Joey  United States
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not an exchange server. It is an app server running some db stuff. but not
sql. users connect and open files on this server and has hba connection to
san. A lof of open files in sessions
"Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer]" <aceman@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org>
wrote in message news:un98Omt5JHA.140@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> "Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
> news:eDy8Qvr5JHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> When do I put in the PAE switch?
>>
>> I have windows 2003 standard edition with 4GB ram. boot.ini has this
>>
>> [boot loader]
>> timeout=30
>> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
>> [operating systems]
>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Windows Server 2003,
>> Standard" /noexecute=optout /fastdetect
>>
>> problem is server alwasys freeezing up. Do I need /PAE or can I put
>>
>> /3GB switch with /USERVA=3030?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> I don't believe the /pae switch will help with freezing up. That's usually
> a driver or an app causing it. Is Exchange installed? If so, have you run
> the ExBPA? That will tell you exactly what you need. Otherwise, what's
> installed on the machine?
>
> I don't know what type of machine you have., but if the server is a
> non-Intel CPU machine, the /pae won't work, nor if it is a 64 bit system.
> I would suggest using the /USERVA=3030 and /3GB switches.
>
> If you have 4gb of RAM, there is no real point to use the /pae, because it
> is designed to physically address RAM above 4GB. This is because with
> 32bit architecture, you can only count to up to 4GB. You can test that by
> putting in 32 bits in the calculator as Binary, then change it to Decimal.
> Therefore, how does the system access the RAM above it? PAE is the answer.
>
> For more info on Physical Address Extensions, please read the following.
>
> Physical Address Extension - PAE Memory and Windows
> http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAE drv.mspx
>
> Operating Systems and PAE Support
> http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/pae _os.mspx
>
> --
> Ace
>
> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
> confers no rights.
>
> Ace Fekay, MCSE 2003 & 2000, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA Messaging, MCT
> Microsoft Certified Trainer
> aceman@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org
>
> For urgent issues, you may want to contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please
> check http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers.
>
> "Efficiency is doing things right; effectiveness is doing the right
> things." - Peter F. Drucker
> http://twitter.com/acefekay
>
>
Re: PAE switch [message #163760 is a reply to message #163753] Sat, 06 June 2009 16:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joey  is currently offline Joey  United States
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event viewer is not showing much errors. I do get this in app log

Event Type: Error
Event Source: Userenv
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1505
Date: 6/5/2009
Time: 5:01:17 AM
User: domain\user
Computer: host
Description:
Windows cannot load the user's profile but has logged you on with the
default profile for the system.

DETAIL - Insufficient system resources exist to complete the requested
service.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.

--------

Since its SE w 4GB Memory. I added the /3GB /USERVA=3030 switch to boot.ini

however, in

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Current Control Set\Control\
Session Manager\Memory Management

I noticed that the

pagedPoolSize is not default 0. It shows 1107296255 (decimal)


and

SystemPages is not default 0. It shows 798720 (decimal)


Should I be resetting these values back to 0? How did they get to these
values?

"Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" <meiweb(nospam)@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:ff16fb66262eb8cbb4fc55711473@msnews.microsoft.com...
> Hello joey,
>
> What happens when the server freeze? Did you check the event viewer for
> errors when it is not freezed?
>
> /PAE or /3GB will not solve your problems, it is intended when you have
> more then 4GB RAM in the server, which requires 64bit within SE, 32bit
> maximum is 4GB for SE.
>
> Best regards
>
> Meinolf Weber
> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> confers no rights.
> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>
>> When do I put in the PAE switch?
>>
>> I have windows 2003 standard edition with 4GB ram. boot.ini has this
>>
>> [boot loader]
>> timeout=30
>> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
>> [operating systems]
>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Windows Server 2003,
>> Standard"
>> /noexecute=optout /fastdetect
>> problem is server alwasys freeezing up. Do I need /PAE or can I put
>>
>> /3GB switch with /USERVA=3030?
>>
>
>
Re: PAE switch [message #163764 is a reply to message #163759] Sat, 06 June 2009 21:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
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"Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
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> not an exchange server. It is an app server running some db stuff. but not
> sql. users connect and open files on this server and has hba connection to
> san. A lof of open files in sessions

Where are you seeing the open sessions? In Computer Management, Shares? Are
there duplicates for the same users and files?

This will something that needs to be taylored to what you have running,. See
if this link helps:
Ask the Performance Team - Memory Management - Understanding Pool Resources
http://blogs.technet.com/askperf/archive/2007/03/07/memory-m anagement-understanding-pool-resources.aspx

Additional reading:

PagedPoolSize
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc976157.aspx

Re: PagedPoolSize size recommendation on a Windows 2003 server
http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/thread-1581452.php

Ace
Re: PAE switch [message #163767 is a reply to message #163760] Sun, 07 June 2009 08:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
meiweb(nospam)  is currently offline meiweb(nospam)  Germany
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Hello joey,

Check this one:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/935649/en-us

http://www.eventid.net/display.asp?eventid=1505&eventno= 2504&source=Userenv&phase=1

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
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** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
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> event viewer is not showing much errors. I do get this in app log
>
> Event Type: Error
> Event Source: Userenv
> Event Category: None
> Event ID: 1505
> Date: 6/5/2009
> Time: 5:01:17 AM
> User: domain\user
> Computer: host
> Description:
> Windows cannot load the user's profile but has logged you on with the
> default profile for the system.
> DETAIL - Insufficient system resources exist to complete the
> requested service.
>
> For more information, see Help and Support Center at
> http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
>
> --------
>
> Since its SE w 4GB Memory. I added the /3GB /USERVA=3030 switch to
> boot.ini
>
> however, in
>
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Current Control Set\Control\ Session
> Manager\Memory Management
>
> I noticed that the
>
> pagedPoolSize is not default 0. It shows 1107296255 (decimal)
>
> and
>
> SystemPages is not default 0. It shows 798720 (decimal)
>
> Should I be resetting these values back to 0? How did they get to
> these values?
>
> "Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" <meiweb(nospam)@gmx.de> wrote in message
> news:ff16fb66262eb8cbb4fc55711473@msnews.microsoft.com...
>
>> Hello joey,
>>
>> What happens when the server freeze? Did you check the event viewer
>> for errors when it is not freezed?
>>
>> /PAE or /3GB will not solve your problems, it is intended when you
>> have more then 4GB RAM in the server, which requires 64bit within SE,
>> 32bit maximum is 4GB for SE.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Meinolf Weber
>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
>> confers no rights.
>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>>> When do I put in the PAE switch?
>>>
>>> I have windows 2003 standard edition with 4GB ram. boot.ini has this
>>>
>>> [boot loader]
>>> timeout=30
>>> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
>>> [operating systems]
>>> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Windows Server 2003,
>>> Standard"
>>> /noexecute=optout /fastdetect
>>> problem is server alwasys freeezing up. Do I need /PAE or can I put
>>> /3GB switch with /USERVA=3030?
>>>
Re: PAE switch [message #163777 is a reply to message #163764] Sun, 07 June 2009 17:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joey  is currently offline Joey  United States
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no duplicates. Just a lot of open files. I have /3gb /userva=3030 in
boot.ini. Also reset Pagepoolsize t odefault 0
"Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer]" <aceman@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org>
wrote in message news:%23DmsF0w5JHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> "Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
> news:eQXdGuu5JHA.4936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> not an exchange server. It is an app server running some db stuff. but
>> not sql. users connect and open files on this server and has hba
>> connection to san. A lof of open files in sessions
>
> Where are you seeing the open sessions? In Computer Management, Shares?
> Are there duplicates for the same users and files?
>
> This will something that needs to be taylored to what you have running,.
> See if this link helps:
> Ask the Performance Team - Memory Management - Understanding Pool
> Resources
> http://blogs.technet.com/askperf/archive/2007/03/07/memory-m anagement-understanding-pool-resources.aspx
>
> Additional reading:
>
> PagedPoolSize
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc976157.aspx
>
> Re: PagedPoolSize size recommendation on a Windows 2003 server
> http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/thread-1581452.php
>
> Ace
>
Re: PAE switch [message #163780 is a reply to message #163777] Sun, 07 June 2009 19:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
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> no duplicates. Just a lot of open files. I have /3gb /userva=3030 in
> boot.ini. Also reset Pagepoolsize t odefault 0

The KB article Meinolf posted explains what you're seeing and how to fix it.
I would follow it to set the PagePoolSize parameter to fix this issue.

Ace
Re: PAE switch [message #163828 is a reply to message #163780] Mon, 08 June 2009 12:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Should I leave the /3gb /userva=3030 in boot.ini?
"Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer]" <aceman@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org>
wrote in message news:eWnBog85JHA.5920@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> "Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
> news:OA%23DPr75JHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> no duplicates. Just a lot of open files. I have /3gb /userva=3030 in
>> boot.ini. Also reset Pagepoolsize t odefault 0
>
> The KB article Meinolf posted explains what you're seeing and how to fix
> it. I would follow it to set the PagePoolSize parameter to fix this issue.
>
> Ace
>
>
>
Re: PAE switch [message #163829 is a reply to message #163828] Mon, 08 June 2009 13:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
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> Should I leave the /3gb /userva=3030 in boot.ini?

Yes, because you have more than 2GB of RAM. Do you understand what the
switch does?

Also, I did not see your response about my question. Did you follow the KB
article Meinolf provided????

Ace
Re: PAE switch [message #163836 is a reply to message #163829] Mon, 08 June 2009 18:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joey  is currently offline Joey  United States
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Hi Ace,

Yes, I did follow that KB article. For the PagedPoolSize, I just added the
value. For PoolUsageMaximum, value 60 was already there.

http://support.microsoft.com:80/kb/935649/en-us

/3GB gives the user applications an additonal GB of memory from the kernel
right?

"Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer]" <aceman@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org>
wrote in message news:eh86CzF6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> "Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
> news:%23pnw3lF6JHA.3856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Should I leave the /3gb /userva=3030 in boot.ini?
>
> Yes, because you have more than 2GB of RAM. Do you understand what the
> switch does?
>
> Also, I did not see your response about my question. Did you follow the KB
> article Meinolf provided????
>
> Ace
>
>
Re: PAE switch [message #163843 is a reply to message #163836] Mon, 08 June 2009 21:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
news:uu6l5VI6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Hi Ace,
>
> Yes, I did follow that KB article. For the PagedPoolSize, I just added the
> value. For PoolUsageMaximum, value 60 was already there.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com:80/kb/935649/en-us
>
> /3GB gives the user applications an additonal GB of memory from the kernel
> right?

Also, and not sure if this was posted, check this link:
http://eventid.net/display.asp?eventid=1505&eventno=2504 &source=Userenv&phase=1

Ace
Re: PAE switch [message #163844 is a reply to message #163836] Mon, 08 June 2009 21:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Ace,
>
> Yes, I did follow that KB article. For the PagedPoolSize, I just added the
> value. For PoolUsageMaximum, value 60 was already there.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com:80/kb/935649/en-us
>
> /3GB gives the user applications an additonal GB of memory from the kernel
> right?

Oh, ok. How about the PagedPoolSize registry entry? Was it already set to
FFFFFFFF?

Yes, well kind of. The /3gb switch forces the system to only take 1 GB of
memory instead of 2 GB. So in your case with 4GB, yes the apps and services
get an additional gig to use.

Ace
Re: PAE switch [message #163846 is a reply to message #163836] Mon, 08 June 2009 22:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hello Joey,
The /3GB increases the address space allocated to User Mode which is what
applications run in from 2 gig to 3 gig.
This also reduces the amount of address space for kernel mode from 2 gig to
1 gig which means that it affects( reduces) the amount of system
resources(like pagedpool, or system PTEs for example) you have available.

The /3gb only helps if the applications are compiled to be
largeaddressaware,

Since you are having issues that sound like they could be that could be
caused by resource overconsumption you may want to test without the /3gb or
/userva switch.

Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

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| >
| >http://support.microsoft.com:80/kb/935649/en-us
| >
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| >right?
| >
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| >> "Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
| >> news:%23pnw3lF6JHA.3856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| >>> Should I leave the /3gb /userva=3030 in boot.ini?
| >>
| >> Yes, because you have more than 2GB of RAM. Do you understand what the
| >> switch does?
| >>
| >> Also, I did not see your response about my question. Did you follow
the KB
| >> article Meinolf provided????
| >>
| >> Ace
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
| >
Re: PAE switch [message #163874 is a reply to message #163846] Tue, 09 June 2009 13:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The problem started when the server didnt have the /3gb switch. I have added
that in since.
""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Hello Joey,
> The /3GB increases the address space allocated to User Mode which is what
> applications run in from 2 gig to 3 gig.
> This also reduces the amount of address space for kernel mode from 2 gig
> to
> 1 gig which means that it affects( reduces) the amount of system
> resources(like pagedpool, or system PTEs for example) you have available.
>
> The /3gb only helps if the applications are compiled to be
> largeaddressaware,
>
> Since you are having issues that sound like they could be that could be
> caused by resource overconsumption you may want to test without the /3gb
> or
> /userva switch.
>
> Thanks,
> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
> --------------------
> | >From: "Joey" <joey@joey.com>
> | >References: <eDy8Qvr5JHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
> <un98Omt5JHA.140@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
> <eQXdGuu5JHA.4936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
> <#DmsF0w5JHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>
> <OA#DPr75JHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
> <eWnBog85JHA.5920@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
> <#pnw3lF6JHA.3856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>
> <eh86CzF6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
> | >Subject: Re: PAE switch
> | >Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 15:07:09 -0700
> | >Lines: 27
> | >X-Priority: 3
> | >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> | >X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138
> | >X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response
> | >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350
> | >Message-ID: <uu6l5VI6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
> | >Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.server.general
> | >NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.112.196.4
> | >Path: TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP03.phx .gbl
> | >Xref: TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl
> microsoft.public.windows.server.general:57464
> | >X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.general
> | >
> | >Hi Ace,
> | >
> | >Yes, I did follow that KB article. For the PagedPoolSize, I just added
> the
> | >value. For PoolUsageMaximum, value 60 was already there.
> | >
> | >http://support.microsoft.com:80/kb/935649/en-us
> | >
> | >/3GB gives the user applications an additonal GB of memory from the
> kernel
> | >right?
> | >
> | >"Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer]"
> <aceman@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org>
> | >wrote in message news:eh86CzF6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> | >> "Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
> | >> news:%23pnw3lF6JHA.3856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | >>> Should I leave the /3gb /userva=3030 in boot.ini?
> | >>
> | >> Yes, because you have more than 2GB of RAM. Do you understand what
> the
> | >> switch does?
> | >>
> | >> Also, I did not see your response about my question. Did you follow
> the KB
> | >> article Meinolf provided????
> | >>
> | >> Ace
> | >>
> | >>
> | >
> | >
> | >
>
Re: PAE switch [message #163879 is a reply to message #163844] Tue, 09 June 2009 14:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joey  is currently offline Joey  United States
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Server still having issues and needing to reboot.
"Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer]" <aceman@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org>
wrote in message news:O6Oz$RK6JHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> "Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
> news:uu6l5VI6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Hi Ace,
>>
>> Yes, I did follow that KB article. For the PagedPoolSize, I just added
>> the value. For PoolUsageMaximum, value 60 was already there.
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com:80/kb/935649/en-us
>>
>> /3GB gives the user applications an additonal GB of memory from the
>> kernel right?
>
> Oh, ok. How about the PagedPoolSize registry entry? Was it already set to
> FFFFFFFF?
>
> Yes, well kind of. The /3gb switch forces the system to only take 1 GB of
> memory instead of 2 GB. So in your case with 4GB, yes the apps and
> services get an additional gig to use.
>
> Ace
>
>
>
Re: PAE switch [message #163885 is a reply to message #163846] Tue, 09 June 2009 16:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joey  is currently offline Joey  United States
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if a server has say 8GB of RAM. is the /3GB still necessary?
""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1NOKLcK6JHA.5720@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...
> Hello Joey,
> The /3GB increases the address space allocated to User Mode which is what
> applications run in from 2 gig to 3 gig.
> This also reduces the amount of address space for kernel mode from 2 gig
> to
> 1 gig which means that it affects( reduces) the amount of system
> resources(like pagedpool, or system PTEs for example) you have available.
>
> The /3gb only helps if the applications are compiled to be
> largeaddressaware,
>
> Since you are having issues that sound like they could be that could be
> caused by resource overconsumption you may want to test without the /3gb
> or
> /userva switch.
>
> Thanks,
> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
> --------------------
> | >From: "Joey" <joey@joey.com>
> | >References: <eDy8Qvr5JHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
> <un98Omt5JHA.140@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
> <eQXdGuu5JHA.4936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
> <#DmsF0w5JHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>
> <OA#DPr75JHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
> <eWnBog85JHA.5920@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
> <#pnw3lF6JHA.3856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>
> <eh86CzF6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
> | >Subject: Re: PAE switch
> | >Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 15:07:09 -0700
> | >Lines: 27
> | >X-Priority: 3
> | >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> | >X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138
> | >X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response
> | >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350
> | >Message-ID: <uu6l5VI6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
> | >Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.server.general
> | >NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.112.196.4
> | >Path: TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP03.phx .gbl
> | >Xref: TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl
> microsoft.public.windows.server.general:57464
> | >X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.general
> | >
> | >Hi Ace,
> | >
> | >Yes, I did follow that KB article. For the PagedPoolSize, I just added
> the
> | >value. For PoolUsageMaximum, value 60 was already there.
> | >
> | >http://support.microsoft.com:80/kb/935649/en-us
> | >
> | >/3GB gives the user applications an additonal GB of memory from the
> kernel
> | >right?
> | >
> | >"Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer]"
> <aceman@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org>
> | >wrote in message news:eh86CzF6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> | >> "Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
> | >> news:%23pnw3lF6JHA.3856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | >>> Should I leave the /3gb /userva=3030 in boot.ini?
> | >>
> | >> Yes, because you have more than 2GB of RAM. Do you understand what
> the
> | >> switch does?
> | >>
> | >> Also, I did not see your response about my question. Did you follow
> the KB
> | >> article Meinolf provided????
> | >>
> | >> Ace
> | >>
> | >>
> | >
> | >
> | >
>
Re: PAE switch [message #163886 is a reply to message #163879] Tue, 09 June 2009 16:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
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"Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
news:OAl$V5S6JHA.5180@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Server still having issues and needing to reboot.

Are there any other apps or services (AV, WSUS, etc etc), on the machine
that can be disabled or moved to another machine to help you diagnose this
and perform some performance testing on it?

Ace
Re: PAE switch [message #163900 is a reply to message #163874] Tue, 09 June 2009 17:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Darrellg  is currently offline Darrellg
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Hello Joey,
From the error message I doubt /3gb would help with the situation, it
could make it worse
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
--------------------
| >From: "Joey" <joey@joey.com>
| >References: <eDy8Qvr5JHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
<un98Omt5JHA.140@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
<eQXdGuu5JHA.4936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
<#DmsF0w5JHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>
<OA#DPr75JHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
<eWnBog85JHA.5920@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
<#pnw3lF6JHA.3856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>
<eh86CzF6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
<uu6l5VI6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
<1NOKLcK6JHA.5720@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl>
| >Subject: Re: PAE switch
| >Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:05:26 -0700
| >Lines: 86
| >X-Priority: 3
| >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138
| >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350
| >X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original
| >Message-ID: <#kt08RS6JHA.1380@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>
| >Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.server.general
| >NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.112.196.4
| >Path: TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx .gbl
| >Xref: TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl
microsoft.public.windows.server.general:57504
| >X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.general
| >
| >The problem started when the server didnt have the /3gb switch. I have
added
| >that in since.
| >""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
| >news:1NOKLcK6JHA.5720@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...
| >> Hello Joey,
| >> The /3GB increases the address space allocated to User Mode which is
what
| >> applications run in from 2 gig to 3 gig.
| >> This also reduces the amount of address space for kernel mode from 2
gig
| >> to
| >> 1 gig which means that it affects( reduces) the amount of system
| >> resources(like pagedpool, or system PTEs for example) you have
available.
| >>
| >> The /3gb only helps if the applications are compiled to be
| >> largeaddressaware,
| >>
| >> Since you are having issues that sound like they could be that could be
| >> caused by resource overconsumption you may want to test without the
/3gb
| >> or
| >> /userva switch.
| >>
| >> Thanks,
| >> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
| >>
| >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights
| >> --------------------
| >> | >From: "Joey" <joey@joey.com>
| >> | >References: <eDy8Qvr5JHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
| >> <un98Omt5JHA.140@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
| >> <eQXdGuu5JHA.4936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
| >> <#DmsF0w5JHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>
| >> <OA#DPr75JHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
| >> <eWnBog85JHA.5920@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
| >> <#pnw3lF6JHA.3856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>
| >> <eh86CzF6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
| >> | >Subject: Re: PAE switch
| >> | >Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 15:07:09 -0700
| >> | >Lines: 27
| >> | >X-Priority: 3
| >> | >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >> | >X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138
| >> | >X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response
| >> | >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350
| >> | >Message-ID: <uu6l5VI6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
| >> | >Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.server.general
| >> | >NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.112.196.4
| >> | >Path:
TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP03.phx .gbl
| >> | >Xref: TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl
| >> microsoft.public.windows.server.general:57464
| >> | >X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.general
| >> | >
| >> | >Hi Ace,
| >> | >
| >> | >Yes, I did follow that KB article. For the PagedPoolSize, I just
added
| >> the
| >> | >value. For PoolUsageMaximum, value 60 was already there.
| >> | >
| >> | >http://support.microsoft.com:80/kb/935649/en-us
| >> | >
| >> | >/3GB gives the user applications an additonal GB of memory from the
| >> kernel
| >> | >right?
| >> | >
| >> | >"Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer]"
| >> <aceman@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org>
| >> | >wrote in message news:eh86CzF6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| >> | >> "Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
| >> | >> news:%23pnw3lF6JHA.3856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| >> | >>> Should I leave the /3gb /userva=3030 in boot.ini?
| >> | >>
| >> | >> Yes, because you have more than 2GB of RAM. Do you understand
what
| >> the
| >> | >> switch does?
| >> | >>
| >> | >> Also, I did not see your response about my question. Did you
follow
| >> the KB
| >> | >> article Meinolf provided????
| >> | >>
| >> | >> Ace
| >> | >>
| >> | >>
| >> | >
| >> | >
| >> | >
| >>
| >
| >
| >
Re: PAE switch [message #163957 is a reply to message #163885] Wed, 10 June 2009 13:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Darrellg  is currently offline Darrellg
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Hello Joey,
Different comparison
/3GB is allocation of address space, not allocation of RAM
/3GB only helps apps that are compiled to be largeaddressaware so this
doesn't help for all apps.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
--------------------
| >From: "Joey" <joey@joey.com>
| >References: <eDy8Qvr5JHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
<un98Omt5JHA.140@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
<eQXdGuu5JHA.4936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
<#DmsF0w5JHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>
<OA#DPr75JHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
<eWnBog85JHA.5920@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
<#pnw3lF6JHA.3856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>
<eh86CzF6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
<uu6l5VI6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
<1NOKLcK6JHA.5720@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl>
| >Subject: Re: PAE switch
| >Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 13:09:15 -0700
| >Lines: 85
| >X-Priority: 3
| >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138
| >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350
| >X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original
| >Message-ID: <uPQDr4T6JHA.1424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>
| >Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.server.general
| >NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.112.196.4
| >Path: TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP02.phx .gbl
| >Xref: TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl
microsoft.public.windows.server.general:57515
| >X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.general
| >
| >if a server has say 8GB of RAM. is the /3GB still necessary?
| >""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
| >news:1NOKLcK6JHA.5720@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...
| >> Hello Joey,
| >> The /3GB increases the address space allocated to User Mode which is
what
| >> applications run in from 2 gig to 3 gig.
| >> This also reduces the amount of address space for kernel mode from 2
gig
| >> to
| >> 1 gig which means that it affects( reduces) the amount of system
| >> resources(like pagedpool, or system PTEs for example) you have
available.
| >>
| >> The /3gb only helps if the applications are compiled to be
| >> largeaddressaware,
| >>
| >> Since you are having issues that sound like they could be that could be
| >> caused by resource overconsumption you may want to test without the
/3gb
| >> or
| >> /userva switch.
| >>
| >> Thanks,
| >> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
| >>
| >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights
| >> --------------------
| >> | >From: "Joey" <joey@joey.com>
| >> | >References: <eDy8Qvr5JHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
| >> <un98Omt5JHA.140@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
| >> <eQXdGuu5JHA.4936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
| >> <#DmsF0w5JHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>
| >> <OA#DPr75JHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
| >> <eWnBog85JHA.5920@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
| >> <#pnw3lF6JHA.3856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>
| >> <eh86CzF6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
| >> | >Subject: Re: PAE switch
| >> | >Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 15:07:09 -0700
| >> | >Lines: 27
| >> | >X-Priority: 3
| >> | >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >> | >X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138
| >> | >X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response
| >> | >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350
| >> | >Message-ID: <uu6l5VI6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
| >> | >Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.server.general
| >> | >NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.112.196.4
| >> | >Path:
TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP03.phx .gbl
| >> | >Xref: TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl
| >> microsoft.public.windows.server.general:57464
| >> | >X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.general
| >> | >
| >> | >Hi Ace,
| >> | >
| >> | >Yes, I did follow that KB article. For the PagedPoolSize, I just
added
| >> the
| >> | >value. For PoolUsageMaximum, value 60 was already there.
| >> | >
| >> | >http://support.microsoft.com:80/kb/935649/en-us
| >> | >
| >> | >/3GB gives the user applications an additonal GB of memory from the
| >> kernel
| >> | >right?
| >> | >
| >> | >"Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer]"
| >> <aceman@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org>
| >> | >wrote in message news:eh86CzF6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| >> | >> "Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
| >> | >> news:%23pnw3lF6JHA.3856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| >> | >>> Should I leave the /3gb /userva=3030 in boot.ini?
| >> | >>
| >> | >> Yes, because you have more than 2GB of RAM. Do you understand
what
| >> the
| >> | >> switch does?
| >> | >>
| >> | >> Also, I did not see your response about my question. Did you
follow
| >> the KB
| >> | >> article Meinolf provided????
| >> | >>
| >> | >> Ace
| >> | >>
| >> | >>
| >> | >
| >> | >
| >> | >
| >>
| >
| >
| >
Re: PAE switch [message #163964 is a reply to message #163885] Wed, 10 June 2009 15:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joey  is currently offline Joey  United States
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server still having issues with or without /3gb. RDP not longer accessible,
still seeing a lot of sessions in open files and sessions
"Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer]" <aceman@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org>
wrote in message news:%23sQWmpf6JHA.5828@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> "Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
> news:uPQDr4T6JHA.1424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> if a server has say 8GB of RAM. is the /3GB still necessary?
>
>
> What Darrell's saying is it depends on the applications installed. For
> example, if Exchange, it will be able to utilize this setting. If McAfee
> Enterprise, it will not.
>
> Ace
>
Re: PAE switch [message #163967 is a reply to message #163885] Wed, 10 June 2009 14:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
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"Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
news:uPQDr4T6JHA.1424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> if a server has say 8GB of RAM. is the /3GB still necessary?


What Darrell's saying is it depends on the applications installed. For
example, if Exchange, it will be able to utilize this setting. If McAfee
Enterprise, it will not.

Ace
Re: PAE switch [message #163971 is a reply to message #163964] Wed, 10 June 2009 15:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
news:ewyCM6f6JHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> server still having issues with or without /3gb. RDP not longer
> accessible, still seeing a lot of sessions in open files and sessions

Hmm, so that article regarding the eventID didn't help. Unfortunate. I think
that it may possibly be prudent at this time to open a ticket with Microsoft
PSS to further assist, unless Darrell can provide more specific info that we
haven't covered, or that I can't think of at this time.

What do you think?

Ace
Re: PAE switch [message #164013 is a reply to message #163971] Thu, 11 June 2009 20:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Darrellg  is currently offline Darrellg
Messages: 26
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hello,
That would be correct, it probably comes down to trouble-shooting so you
would be running perfmon, poolmon and tracking resource usage. It would
probably be better to open a support ticket for help with that.
One question though, do you have a pagefile and is it on the same volume as
Windows is installed to?
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
--------------------
| >From: "Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer]"
<aceman@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org>
| >References: <eDy8Qvr5JHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
<un98Omt5JHA.140@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
<eQXdGuu5JHA.4936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
<#DmsF0w5JHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>
<OA#DPr75JHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
<eWnBog85JHA.5920@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
<#pnw3lF6JHA.3856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>
<eh86CzF6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
<uu6l5VI6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
<1NOKLcK6JHA.5720@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl>
<uPQDr4T6JHA.1424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>
<#sQWmpf6JHA.5828@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
<ewyCM6f6JHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>
| >In-Reply-To: <ewyCM6f6JHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>
| >Subject: Re: PAE switch
| >Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:26:58 -0400
| >Lines: 16
| >X-Priority: 3
| >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| >X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000
| >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049
| >X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response
| >Message-ID: <epX6sFg6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
| >Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.server.general
| >NNTP-Posting-Host: smtp.bandwidthpros.com 72.94.181.34
| >Path: TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP03.phx .gbl
| >Xref: TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl
microsoft.public.windows.server.general:57597
| >X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.general
| >
| >"Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
| >news:ewyCM6f6JHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| >> server still having issues with or without /3gb. RDP not longer
| >> accessible, still seeing a lot of sessions in open files and sessions
| >
| >Hmm, so that article regarding the eventID didn't help. Unfortunate. I
think
| >that it may possibly be prudent at this time to open a ticket with
Microsoft
| >PSS to further assist, unless Darrell can provide more specific info
that we
| >haven't covered, or that I can't think of at this time.
| >
| >What do you think?
| >
| >Ace
| >
| >
| >
| >
Re: PAE switch [message #164070 is a reply to message #164013] Sat, 13 June 2009 13:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joey  is currently offline Joey  United States
Messages: 51
Registered: August 2009
Member
Hello

Yes page file on C drive. 1.5x the physical ram. It has 4GB. What is pool
mon. I ran perfmon for 24hrs and didnt notice much in terms of bottleneck

Memory
Free System Page Table Entries 15192
Pages/Sec 7339.982
Pool Nonpages Bytes 71154490
Pool Pages Bytes 180555865

Physical Disk

%Disk Time: 16.725
Ave Disk Queue Lenght: 1.673
Avg. Disk Read Queue Length 1.533
Avg. Disk Write Queue Length 0.139



""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:94XYUav6JHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...
> Hello,
> That would be correct, it probably comes down to trouble-shooting so you
> would be running perfmon, poolmon and tracking resource usage. It would
> probably be better to open a support ticket for help with that.
> One question though, do you have a pagefile and is it on the same volume
> as
> Windows is installed to?
> Thanks,
> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
> --------------------
> | >From: "Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer]"
> <aceman@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org>
> | >References: <eDy8Qvr5JHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
> <un98Omt5JHA.140@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
> <eQXdGuu5JHA.4936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
> <#DmsF0w5JHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>
> <OA#DPr75JHA.4864@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
> <eWnBog85JHA.5920@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
> <#pnw3lF6JHA.3856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>
> <eh86CzF6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
> <uu6l5VI6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
> <1NOKLcK6JHA.5720@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl>
> <uPQDr4T6JHA.1424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>
> <#sQWmpf6JHA.5828@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
> <ewyCM6f6JHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>
> | >In-Reply-To: <ewyCM6f6JHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>
> | >Subject: Re: PAE switch
> | >Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:26:58 -0400
> | >Lines: 16
> | >X-Priority: 3
> | >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> | >X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000
> | >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049
> | >X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response
> | >Message-ID: <epX6sFg6JHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
> | >Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.server.general
> | >NNTP-Posting-Host: smtp.bandwidthpros.com 72.94.181.34
> | >Path: TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP03.phx .gbl
> | >Xref: TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl
> microsoft.public.windows.server.general:57597
> | >X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.general
> | >
> | >"Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
> | >news:ewyCM6f6JHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | >> server still having issues with or without /3gb. RDP not longer
> | >> accessible, still seeing a lot of sessions in open files and sessions
> | >
> | >Hmm, so that article regarding the eventID didn't help. Unfortunate. I
> think
> | >that it may possibly be prudent at this time to open a ticket with
> Microsoft
> | >PSS to further assist, unless Darrell can provide more specific info
> that we
> | >haven't covered, or that I can't think of at this time.
> | >
> | >What do you think?
> | >
> | >Ace
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | >
>
Re: PAE switch [message #164073 is a reply to message #164070] Sat, 13 June 2009 15:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
Messages: 5816
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
"Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
news:u1Z0oxE7JHA.1568@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Hello
>
> Yes page file on C drive. 1.5x the physical ram. It has 4GB. What is pool
> mon. I ran perfmon for 24hrs and didnt notice much in terms of bottleneck
>
> Memory
> Free System Page Table Entries 15192
> Pages/Sec 7339.982
> Pool Nonpages Bytes 71154490
> Pool Pages Bytes 180555865
>
> Physical Disk
>
> %Disk Time: 16.725
> Ave Disk Queue Lenght: 1.673
> Avg. Disk Read Queue Length 1.533
> Avg. Disk Write Queue Length 0.139

Joey,

The disk queue lengths look fine, which is what I usually look for to
determine if there are any drive issues. The higher the queue, the more data
is sitting there waiting to be moved. We usually like them to be under 2,
but 8000 pages/sec? That seems a bit high.

I still think opening a ticket may help you better than what we're doing,
because the engineers will be actually working on your system while you
watch, or you work on it while they watch and guide you, answering and
explaining specifics about your machine, what's installed, etc, that you may
not want to post publicly. In the US, it's a one time fee, no matter how
long they take, even for multiple machines that you need to specify in the
ticket up front that are having similar issues, for $250.00, unless that was
changed, or if you have an SA agreement with software licensing (which I
assume you may considering the number of machines you've indicated/hinted
you have), which you should get five support calls included with the
agreement.

To answer your question about poolmon.exe, the following links should help.

How to use Memory Pool Monitor (Poolmon.exe) to troubleshoot ...Describes
how to use the Memory Pool Monitor utility, Poolmon.exe, as a
troubleshooting tool to monitor memory tags.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/177415

Poolmon Overview: Core ServicesPoolmon also displays general memory
information, including total and available memory, page faults, kernel
physical memory, committed memory and the commit ...
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc737099(WS.10).aspx

Poolmon Syntax: Core Services - Mar 28, 2003
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc775774(WS.10).aspx
Re: PAE switch [message #164082 is a reply to message #164073] Sun, 14 June 2009 13:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joey  is currently offline Joey  United States
Messages: 51
Registered: August 2009
Member
Hi Ace,

This happen again last night. Users cannot access. I could not RDP in. I
had to log into the console and got the insufficient resource message and
logging in with local profile or something like that. Oepn comp mgmt and saw
a user with over 200 files opened, and lot of sessions. Check Task manager
and resource wise everything looks ok. lots of physical memory left.


"Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer]" <aceman@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org>
wrote in message news:%23jCwr$F7JHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> "Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
> news:u1Z0oxE7JHA.1568@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Hello
>>
>> Yes page file on C drive. 1.5x the physical ram. It has 4GB. What is
>> pool mon. I ran perfmon for 24hrs and didnt notice much in terms of
>> bottleneck
>>
>> Memory
>> Free System Page Table Entries 15192
>> Pages/Sec 7339.982
>> Pool Nonpages Bytes 71154490
>> Pool Pages Bytes 180555865
>>
>> Physical Disk
>>
>> %Disk Time: 16.725
>> Ave Disk Queue Lenght: 1.673
>> Avg. Disk Read Queue Length 1.533
>> Avg. Disk Write Queue Length 0.139
>
> Joey,
>
> The disk queue lengths look fine, which is what I usually look for to
> determine if there are any drive issues. The higher the queue, the more
> data is sitting there waiting to be moved. We usually like them to be
> under 2, but 8000 pages/sec? That seems a bit high.
>
> I still think opening a ticket may help you better than what we're doing,
> because the engineers will be actually working on your system while you
> watch, or you work on it while they watch and guide you, answering and
> explaining specifics about your machine, what's installed, etc, that you
> may not want to post publicly. In the US, it's a one time fee, no matter
> how long they take, even for multiple machines that you need to specify in
> the ticket up front that are having similar issues, for $250.00, unless
> that was changed, or if you have an SA agreement with software licensing
> (which I assume you may considering the number of machines you've
> indicated/hinted you have), which you should get five support calls
> included with the agreement.
>
> To answer your question about poolmon.exe, the following links should
> help.
>
> How to use Memory Pool Monitor (Poolmon.exe) to troubleshoot ...Describes
> how to use the Memory Pool Monitor utility, Poolmon.exe, as a
> troubleshooting tool to monitor memory tags.
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/177415
>
> Poolmon Overview: Core ServicesPoolmon also displays general memory
> information, including total and available memory, page faults, kernel
> physical memory, committed memory and the commit ...
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc737099(WS.10).aspx
>
> Poolmon Syntax: Core Services - Mar 28, 2003
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc775774(WS.10).aspx
>
>
>
Re: PAE switch [message #164085 is a reply to message #164082] Sun, 14 June 2009 16:05 Go to previous message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
Messages: 5816
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
"Joey" <joey@joey.com> wrote in message
news:eV5JjcR7JHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Hi Ace,
>
> This happen again last night. Users cannot access. I could not RDP in. I
> had to log into the console and got the insufficient resource message and
> logging in with local profile or something like that. Oepn comp mgmt and
> saw a user with over 200 files opened, and lot of sessions. Check Task
> manager and resource wise everything looks ok. lots of physical memory
> left.
>

Do you think it's a good time to now call PSS to get to the bottom of this
to guarantee your users are productive? There seems to be more involved than
what we can do than a suggestions through newsgroup postings, which
apparently, and unfortunately, have not helped so far. I wish they have, but
it is unfortunate they haven't, and I have no other suggestions,
unfortunately as well, unless Darrell comes up with something, but he's
suggesting to call PSS as well. Allow the Microsoft engineers to take care
of this for you.

Also, to save additional costs, I would suggest to call PSS during weekday
hours, not weekend, or they charge extra.

Ace
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