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Re: Shadow Copy Exclusions [message #163877] Tue, 09 June 2009 14:06 Go to next message
lanwench  is currently offline lanwench  United States
Messages: 1684
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
paperhat <paperhat@discussions.ms.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am looking to deploy Shadow Copies of Shared folders on a Windows
> Server 2003 SP1. During configuration i would like to exclude pst
> files from the shadow copy snapshot. After some research i read an
> article
> "http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa819132(VS.85).aspx" that
> instructed me to edit a registry setting
>
> " HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\BackupRe store\FilesNotToSnapshot ".
> The problem i have is that the above path does not exist within the
> registry. I have
> "HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\BackupRestore".
> I created the FilesNotToSnapshot manually and then created the
> REG_MULTI_SZ with the value of F:\*.pst
> This does not appear to work.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Matt

Totally OT: I'm not sure, but you do know that MS doesn't support accessing
PST files across the network, right? Storing them there for isolated/offline
archive may be fine if your company feels a need, but don't open them up in
outlook from across the network.
Re: Shadow Copy Exclusions [message #163880 is a reply to message #163877] Tue, 09 June 2009 14:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lanwench  is currently offline lanwench  United States
Messages: 1684
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
paperhat <paperhat@discussions.ms.com> wrote:
> I didn't know this. Unfortunately pst's are heavily used in this way
> in my environment.

OK - so now you know it's time to stop doing that. :)

Personal folder files are unsupported over a LAN or over a WAN link
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=297019

Time to get Exchange. If you can't implement it in-house, get hosted
Exchange. If you can't swing that, get Google Apps or Zimbra or something.
But ban PST files and POP mail....they aren't suitable for a corporate
network. Also see PST=BAD at
http://www.exchangefaq.org/faq/Exchange-5.5/Why-PST-=-BAD-/q /Why-PST-=-BAD/qid/1209


> As these get backed up in the regular daily backups i would like to
> exclude these when enabling Shadow Copies for Shared Folders.
> The majority of data held on the file server is made up of pst's and
> that is why i would like to exclude these from the shadow copy
> snapshot
> The implementation of the Shadow Copies is basically to be used as an
> added feature for the end user to restore there own files and at the
> same time lowering the amount of restore requests for the
> backup/restore team.

Yes, agreed - it's great. Just make sure you disable the Restore button or
you will soon have a nightmare on your hands (someone will inevitably
restore an entire folder from a snapshot, overwriting other users'
subsequent changes).

From an old post ...

-----------------------------------------
For the benefit of the group...

I installed an updated version of twext.dll from
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/903234 and now the registry tweaks all
work. So... I must have previously had a different version of twext.dll
when I had it working earlier.

I will push out the hotfix listed at
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/903234 which seems to add the ability
to disable the restore button, or the whole tab, on clients.

So the twext.dll was updated.
------------------------------------------
Sorry I can't answer your original question.
>
>> paperhat <paperhat@discussions.ms.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am looking to deploy Shadow Copies of Shared folders on a Windows
>>> Server 2003 SP1. During configuration i would like to exclude pst
>>> files from the shadow copy snapshot. After some research i read an
>>> article
>>> "http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa819132(VS.85).aspx" that
>>> instructed me to edit a registry setting
>>>
>>> " HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\BackupRe store\FilesNotToSnapshot ".
>>> The problem i have is that the above path does not exist within the
>>> registry. I have
>>> "HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\BackupRestore".
>>> I created the FilesNotToSnapshot manually and then created the
>>> REG_MULTI_SZ with the value of F:\*.pst
>>> This does not appear to work.
>>>
>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Matt
>>
>> Totally OT: I'm not sure, but you do know that MS doesn't support
>> accessing PST files across the network, right? Storing them there
>> for isolated/offline archive may be fine if your company feels a
>> need, but don't open them up in outlook from across the network.
Re: Shadow Copy Exclusions [message #163882 is a reply to message #163877] Tue, 09 June 2009 14:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
paperhat  is currently offline paperhat
Messages: 10
Registered: June 2009
Junior Member
I didn't know this. Unfortunately pst's are heavily used in this way in my
environment.
As these get backed up in the regular daily backups i would like to exclude
these when enabling Shadow Copies for Shared Folders.
The majority of data held on the file server is made up of pst's and that is
why i would like to exclude these from the shadow copy snapshot
The implementation of the Shadow Copies is basically to be used as an added
feature for the end user to restore there own files and at the same time
lowering the amount of restore requests for the backup/restore team.
--
Matt


"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:

> paperhat <paperhat@discussions.ms.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am looking to deploy Shadow Copies of Shared folders on a Windows
> > Server 2003 SP1. During configuration i would like to exclude pst
> > files from the shadow copy snapshot. After some research i read an
> > article
> > "http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa819132(VS.85).aspx" that
> > instructed me to edit a registry setting
> >
> > " HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\BackupRe store\FilesNotToSnapshot ".
> > The problem i have is that the above path does not exist within the
> > registry. I have
> > "HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\BackupRestore".
> > I created the FilesNotToSnapshot manually and then created the
> > REG_MULTI_SZ with the value of F:\*.pst
> > This does not appear to work.
> >
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Matt
>
> Totally OT: I'm not sure, but you do know that MS doesn't support accessing
> PST files across the network, right? Storing them there for isolated/offline
> archive may be fine if your company feels a need, but don't open them up in
> outlook from across the network.
>
>
>
Re: Shadow Copy Exclusions [message #163883 is a reply to message #163880] Tue, 09 June 2009 15:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
paperhat  is currently offline paperhat
Messages: 10
Registered: June 2009
Junior Member
We already have Exchange 2003 but users are insistent in using psts for
archiving mail as we do not have an archiving solution.
Anyway i still don't have a solution to excluding psts from shadow copy
snapshots so can anyone enlighten me?

Thanks
--
Matt


"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:

> paperhat <paperhat@discussions.ms.com> wrote:
> > I didn't know this. Unfortunately pst's are heavily used in this way
> > in my environment.
>
> OK - so now you know it's time to stop doing that. :)
>
> Personal folder files are unsupported over a LAN or over a WAN link
> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=297019
>
> Time to get Exchange. If you can't implement it in-house, get hosted
> Exchange. If you can't swing that, get Google Apps or Zimbra or something.
> But ban PST files and POP mail....they aren't suitable for a corporate
> network. Also see PST=BAD at
> http://www.exchangefaq.org/faq/Exchange-5.5/Why-PST-=-BAD-/q /Why-PST-=-BAD/qid/1209
>
>
> > As these get backed up in the regular daily backups i would like to
> > exclude these when enabling Shadow Copies for Shared Folders.
> > The majority of data held on the file server is made up of pst's and
> > that is why i would like to exclude these from the shadow copy
> > snapshot
> > The implementation of the Shadow Copies is basically to be used as an
> > added feature for the end user to restore there own files and at the
> > same time lowering the amount of restore requests for the
> > backup/restore team.
>
> Yes, agreed - it's great. Just make sure you disable the Restore button or
> you will soon have a nightmare on your hands (someone will inevitably
> restore an entire folder from a snapshot, overwriting other users'
> subsequent changes).
>
> From an old post ...
>
> -----------------------------------------
> For the benefit of the group...
>
> I installed an updated version of twext.dll from
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/903234 and now the registry tweaks all
> work. So... I must have previously had a different version of twext.dll
> when I had it working earlier.
>
> I will push out the hotfix listed at
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/903234 which seems to add the ability
> to disable the restore button, or the whole tab, on clients.
>
> So the twext.dll was updated.
> ------------------------------------------
> Sorry I can't answer your original question.
> >
> >> paperhat <paperhat@discussions.ms.com> wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I am looking to deploy Shadow Copies of Shared folders on a Windows
> >>> Server 2003 SP1. During configuration i would like to exclude pst
> >>> files from the shadow copy snapshot. After some research i read an
> >>> article
> >>> "http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa819132(VS.85).aspx" that
> >>> instructed me to edit a registry setting
> >>>
> >>> " HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\BackupRe store\FilesNotToSnapshot ".
> >>> The problem i have is that the above path does not exist within the
> >>> registry. I have
> >>> "HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\BackupRestore".
> >>> I created the FilesNotToSnapshot manually and then created the
> >>> REG_MULTI_SZ with the value of F:\*.pst
> >>> This does not appear to work.
> >>>
> >>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >>>
> >>> Matt
> >>
> >> Totally OT: I'm not sure, but you do know that MS doesn't support
> >> accessing PST files across the network, right? Storing them there
> >> for isolated/offline archive may be fine if your company feels a
> >> need, but don't open them up in outlook from across the network.
>
>
>
>
Re: Shadow Copy Exclusions [message #163884 is a reply to message #163883] Tue, 09 June 2009 15:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lanwench  is currently offline lanwench  United States
Messages: 1684
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
paperhat <paperhat@discussions.ms.com> wrote:
> We already have Exchange 2003 but users are insistent in using psts
> for archiving mail as we do not have an archiving solution.

Sorry, but this is not a decision for end users to make. If your management
understands that the company IT department cannot reasonably be expected to
manage and support PST files (which you can't - they must be on the local
hard drive) they may make a decision not to support them at all. If the data
is important enough to keep, it's important enough to keep in managed
storage. Otherwise, ditch it. Talk to your management; you're running with
scissors here.

> Anyway i still don't have a solution to excluding psts from shadow
> copy snapshots so can anyone enlighten me?

I'm sure someone else will reply and again sorry for the thread hijack. You
may want to repost a new message :)

>
> Thanks
>
>> paperhat <paperhat@discussions.ms.com> wrote:
>>> I didn't know this. Unfortunately pst's are heavily used in this way
>>> in my environment.
>>
>> OK - so now you know it's time to stop doing that. :)
>>
>> Personal folder files are unsupported over a LAN or over a WAN link
>> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=297019
>>
>> Time to get Exchange. If you can't implement it in-house, get hosted
>> Exchange. If you can't swing that, get Google Apps or Zimbra or
>> something. But ban PST files and POP mail....they aren't suitable
>> for a corporate network. Also see PST=BAD at
>> http://www.exchangefaq.org/faq/Exchange-5.5/Why-PST-=-BAD-/q /Why-PST-=-BAD/qid/1209
>>
>>
>>> As these get backed up in the regular daily backups i would like to
>>> exclude these when enabling Shadow Copies for Shared Folders.
>>> The majority of data held on the file server is made up of pst's and
>>> that is why i would like to exclude these from the shadow copy
>>> snapshot
>>> The implementation of the Shadow Copies is basically to be used as
>>> an added feature for the end user to restore there own files and at
>>> the same time lowering the amount of restore requests for the
>>> backup/restore team.
>>
>> Yes, agreed - it's great. Just make sure you disable the Restore
>> button or you will soon have a nightmare on your hands (someone will
>> inevitably restore an entire folder from a snapshot, overwriting
>> other users' subsequent changes).
>>
>> From an old post ...
>>
>> -----------------------------------------
>> For the benefit of the group...
>>
>> I installed an updated version of twext.dll from
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/903234 and now the registry tweaks
>> all work. So... I must have previously had a different version of
>> twext.dll when I had it working earlier.
>>
>> I will push out the hotfix listed at
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/903234 which seems to add the ability
>> to disable the restore button, or the whole tab, on clients.
>>
>> So the twext.dll was updated.
>> ------------------------------------------
>> Sorry I can't answer your original question.
>>>
>>>> paperhat <paperhat@discussions.ms.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am looking to deploy Shadow Copies of Shared folders on a
>>>>> Windows Server 2003 SP1. During configuration i would like to
>>>>> exclude pst files from the shadow copy snapshot. After some
>>>>> research i read an article
>>>>> "http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa819132(VS.85).aspx"
>>>>> that instructed me to edit a registry setting
>>>>>
>>>>> " HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\BackupRe store\FilesNotToSnapshot ".
>>>>> The problem i have is that the above path does not exist within
>>>>> the registry. I have
>>>>> "HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\BackupRestore".
>>>>> I created the FilesNotToSnapshot manually and then created the
>>>>> REG_MULTI_SZ with the value of F:\*.pst
>>>>> This does not appear to work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Matt
>>>>
>>>> Totally OT: I'm not sure, but you do know that MS doesn't support
>>>> accessing PST files across the network, right? Storing them there
>>>> for isolated/offline archive may be fine if your company feels a
>>>> need, but don't open them up in outlook from across the network.
Re: Shadow Copy Exclusions [message #163890 is a reply to message #163883] Tue, 09 June 2009 17:12 Go to previous message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
Messages: 5816
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
"paperhat" <paperhat@discussions.ms.com> wrote in message
news:A8DC6869-F7D7-478E-BE16-5A010BD2A662@microsoft.com...
> We already have Exchange 2003 but users are insistent in using psts for
> archiving mail as we do not have an archiving solution.
> Anyway i still don't have a solution to excluding psts from shadow copy
> snapshots so can anyone enlighten me?


I've actually recommended every customer that I've had to get away from PSTs
because of their cumbersome file structure, easily corruptable, only
available at work and not through OWA or an ActiceSync handheld, or through
Outlook Anywhere, and if you lose them and the PST is not recoverable, there
goes all your emails.

I've also tried searching on this to see how to exclude PSTs based on the
original question, and all if not most of what I've found is folks speaking
of having problems with PSTs and not real answer other than physically right
clicking on the PST file and making sure it is not included for Shadow
Copies.

I do hope you can speak to the powers that be, and not the users, and
explain the downside of using PSTs.

--
Ace

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