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One way roaming profile [message #164069] Sat, 13 June 2009 13:38 Go to next message
Michele Petrazzo  is currently offline Michele Petrazzo  Italy
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Hi list,
into my customer environment I need to setup a "one way" roaming
profile behavior, so the user (normally laptop) do some work outside
the office lan and, when return at office, login on the win2k3 domain
without loading the server profile and, on logout, save all the
profile on the server. So I need a normal roaming profile without the
server -> client data loading. This can be figured like an automatic
backup of the desktop/document/etc... folders.

It's this possible?

Thanks,
Michele
Re: One way roaming profile [message #164080 is a reply to message #164069] Sun, 14 June 2009 09:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lanwench  is currently offline lanwench  United States
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Michele Petrazzo <michele.petrazzo@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi list,
> into my customer environment I need to setup a "one way" roaming
> profile behavior, so the user (normally laptop) do some work outside
> the office lan and, when return at office, login on the win2k3 domain
> without loading the server profile and, on logout, save all the
> profile on the server. So I need a normal roaming profile without the
> server -> client data loading. This can be figured like an automatic
> backup of the desktop/document/etc... folders.
>
> It's this possible?
>
> Thanks,
> Michele

Not possible that I know of. What's the purpose of this?
Re: One way roaming profile [message #164094 is a reply to message #164080] Mon, 15 June 2009 02:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michele Petrazzo  is currently offline Michele Petrazzo  Italy
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On 14 Giu, 15:28, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
<lanwe...@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:
> Michele Petrazzo <michele.petra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi list,
> > into my customer environment I need to setup a "one way" roaming
> > profile behavior, so the user (normally laptop) do some work outside
> > the office lan and, when return at office, login on the win2k3 domain
> > without loading the server profile and, on logout, save all the
> > profile on the server. So I need a normal roaming profile without the
> > server -> client data loading. This can be figured like an automatic
> > backup of the desktop/document/etc... folders.
>
> > It's this possible?
>
> > Thanks,
> > Michele
>
> Not possible that I know of.

Bad news...

> What's the purpose of this?

"Automatic" backup, using roaming profile, where the client "only
send".

When a user work outside and return on office, I want that on login
the server doesn't send the (roaming) profile saved and on logout it
receive the good one present on the laptop.
Something like the "Delete cached copies of roaming profiles", but
perfectly the opposite, so on the server there are no data and the
client only send.
The better would be that it synchronize the profile on the client with
that on the server, so the client haven't to send the whole profile
every logout.

Thanks,
Michele
Re: One way roaming profile [message #164105 is a reply to message #164094] Mon, 15 June 2009 08:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lanwench  is currently offline lanwench  United States
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Michele Petrazzo <michele.petrazzo@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 14 Giu, 15:28, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
> <lanwe...@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:
>> Michele Petrazzo <michele.petra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi list,
>>> into my customer environment I need to setup a "one way" roaming
>>> profile behavior, so the user (normally laptop) do some work outside
>>> the office lan and, when return at office, login on the win2k3
>>> domain without loading the server profile and, on logout, save all
>>> the profile on the server. So I need a normal roaming profile
>>> without the server -> client data loading. This can be figured like
>>> an automatic backup of the desktop/document/etc... folders.
>>
>>> It's this possible?
>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Michele
>>
>> Not possible that I know of.
>
> Bad news...
>
>> What's the purpose of this?
>
> "Automatic" backup, using roaming profile, where the client "only
> send".
>
> When a user work outside and return on office, I want that on login
> the server doesn't send the (roaming) profile saved and on logout it
> receive the good one present on the laptop.
> Something like the "Delete cached copies of roaming profiles", but
> perfectly the opposite, so on the server there are no data and the
> client only send.
> The better would be that it synchronize the profile on the client with
> that on the server, so the client haven't to send the whole profile
> every logout.
>
> Thanks,
> Michele

But it doesn't send the whole profile up or down, every time. The first time
someone logs into a PC, the profile is downloaded. when they log out, the
*changes* are uploaded.

And nothing should really be stored in the profile folders anyway. Use
folder redirection for Desktop & My Documents - use offline files or other
means (such as SecondCopy from www.centered.com) to sync data. Don't use
offline files for desktop users, though - set up a separate GPO for laptops.
Re: One way roaming profile [message #164115 is a reply to message #164105] Mon, 15 June 2009 13:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michele Petrazzo  is currently offline Michele Petrazzo  Italy
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On 15 Giu, 14:50, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
<lanwe...@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:
> > When a user work outside and return on office, I want that on login
> > the server doesn't send the (roaming) profile saved and on logout it
> > receive the good one present on the laptop.
> > Something like the "Delete cached copies of roaming profiles", but
> > perfectly the opposite, so on the server there are no data and the
> > client only send.
> > The better would be that it synchronize the profile on the client with
> > that on the server, so the client haven't to send the whole profile
> > every logout.
>
> > Thanks,
> > Michele
>
> But it doesn't send the whole profile up or down, every time. The first time
> someone logs into a PC, the profile is downloaded. when they log out, the
> *changes* are uploaded.
>

I know, but if a user at home (or out of office) delete some files,
move others and so one, on the next logon, he'll receive the ones
saved on the server. This is the problem! I don't want this!
The logout sequence does the right work. I want to simple disable the
login one!

> And nothing should really be stored in the profile folders anyway. Use
> folder redirection for Desktop & My Documents - use offline files or other
> means (such as SecondCopy fromwww.centered.com) to sync data. Don't use
> offline files for desktop users, though - set up a separate GPO for laptops.

I had the idea to create a little software for create and update the
data from the client to the server, the is not a problem, but... I
hoped that there was a gpo / registry key that enable a feature like
this...

However thanks,
Michele
Re: One way roaming profile [message #164117 is a reply to message #164115] Mon, 15 June 2009 13:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lanwench  is currently offline lanwench  United States
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Michele Petrazzo <michele.petrazzo@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 15 Giu, 14:50, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
> <lanwe...@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:
>>> When a user work outside and return on office, I want that on login
>>> the server doesn't send the (roaming) profile saved and on logout it
>>> receive the good one present on the laptop.
>>> Something like the "Delete cached copies of roaming profiles", but
>>> perfectly the opposite, so on the server there are no data and the
>>> client only send.
>>> The better would be that it synchronize the profile on the client
>>> with that on the server, so the client haven't to send the whole
>>> profile every logout.
>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Michele
>>
>> But it doesn't send the whole profile up or down, every time. The
>> first time someone logs into a PC, the profile is downloaded. when
>> they log out, the *changes* are uploaded.
>>
>
> I know, but if a user at home (or out of office) delete some files,
> move others and so one, on the next logon, he'll receive the ones
> saved on the server. This is the problem! I don't want this!
> The logout sequence does the right work. I want to simple disable the
> login one!

That is a case for offline files - the data folders should *not* be part of
the profile path whether you use roaming profiles or not.

However, you're mistaken. The changes are 2 way. The latest version wins. So
if a user deletes a file from his locally cached profile and logs in again
in the office, that file won't be restored (unless you have major problems
unrelated to this).

Do some testing and you'll see.
>
>> And nothing should really be stored in the profile folders anyway.
>> Use folder redirection for Desktop & My Documents - use offline
>> files or other means (such as SecondCopy fromwww.centered.com) to
>> sync data. Don't use offline files for desktop users, though - set
>> up a separate GPO for laptops.
>
> I had the idea to create a little software for create and update the
> data from the client to the server, the is not a problem, but... I
> hoped that there was a gpo / registry key that enable a feature like
> this...

See above.
>
> However thanks,
> Michele
Re: One way roaming profile [message #164118 is a reply to message #164115] Mon, 15 June 2009 13:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
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"Michele Petrazzo" <michele.petrazzo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:731637d4-cf6d-4690-a5ed-8bc898601118@x5g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> On 15 Giu, 14:50, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
> <lanwe...@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:
>> > When a user work outside and return on office, I want that on login
>> > the server doesn't send the (roaming) profile saved and on logout it
>> > receive the good one present on the laptop.
>> > Something like the "Delete cached copies of roaming profiles", but
>> > perfectly the opposite, so on the server there are no data and the
>> > client only send.
>> > The better would be that it synchronize the profile on the client with
>> > that on the server, so the client haven't to send the whole profile
>> > every logout.
>>
>> > Thanks,
>> > Michele
>>
>> But it doesn't send the whole profile up or down, every time. The first
>> time
>> someone logs into a PC, the profile is downloaded. when they log out, the
>> *changes* are uploaded.
>>
>
> I know, but if a user at home (or out of office) delete some files,
> move others and so one, on the next logon, he'll receive the ones
> saved on the server. This is the problem! I don't want this!
> The logout sequence does the right work. I want to simple disable the
> login one!
>
>> And nothing should really be stored in the profile folders anyway. Use
>> folder redirection for Desktop & My Documents - use offline files or
>> other
>> means (such as SecondCopy fromwww.centered.com) to sync data. Don't use
>> offline files for desktop users, though - set up a separate GPO for
>> laptops.
>
> I had the idea to create a little software for create and update the
> data from the client to the server, the is not a problem, but... I
> hoped that there was a gpo / registry key that enable a feature like
> this...
>
> However thanks,
> Michele


Michele,

I agree with Lanwench. It's a two way process automatically run at both
events.

Have you considered Folder Redirection?

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Re: One way roaming profile [message #164153 is a reply to message #164117] Tue, 16 June 2009 14:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michele Petrazzo  is currently offline Michele Petrazzo  Italy
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Registered: June 2009
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On 15 Giu, 19:11, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
<lanwe...@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:
> Michele Petrazzo <michele.petra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 15 Giu, 14:50, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
> > <lanwe...@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> When a user work outside and return on office, I want that on login
> >>> the server doesn't send the (roaming) profile saved and on logout it
> >>> receive the good one present on the laptop.
> >>> Something like the "Delete cached copies of roaming profiles", but
> >>> perfectly the opposite, so on the server there are no data and the
> >>> client only send.
> >>> The better would be that it synchronize the profile on the client
> >>> with that on the server, so the client haven't to send the whole
> >>> profile every logout.
>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Michele
>
> >> But it doesn't send the whole profile up or down, every time. The
> >> first time someone logs into a PC, the profile is downloaded. when
> >> they log out, the *changes* are uploaded.
>
> > I know, but if a user at home (or out of office) delete some files,
> > move others and so one, on the next logon, he'll receive the ones
> > saved on the server. This is the problem! I don't want this!
> > The logout sequence does the right work. I want to simple disable the
> > login one!
>
> That is a case for offline files - the data folders should *not* be part of
> the profile path whether you use roaming profiles or not.
>

Why not? If a user save his data on, for example, desktop or
documents, why don't leave he to do this? The users have the (bad)
habit to work with this policy, and I don't want to change it.
Of course I want to "automatic save" / sync these data into the
server, so I use roaming profiles.

> However, you're mistaken. The changes are 2 way. The latest version wins. So
> if a user deletes a file from his locally cached profile and logs in again
> in the office, that file won't be restored (unless you have major problems
> unrelated to this).
>
> Do some testing and you'll see.
>

Before wrote, I did it!
My test env: srv2k (on my customer I have 2k3 and it's the same).
Client xp pro.
Here I have all on virtual machine, and on production, all "real".
Client joined on domain correctly.
1° test:
- Created a new user on server, profile path set, no gpo
- Login, create a new file, logout. Login and logout. The file are
there, on the desktop
2° test:
- Login, delete the file, logout, login. No file on desktop and no
file on \\server\profiles\user\desktop
3° test:
- Login, create a file, logout. Server has the file. Disconnect the
network on the client (for simulating some work out of office), login
on domain (yes on error that the server aren't accessible). Create new
folder, move the file inside, logout (yes on error). Reconnect the
network (I'm returned in the office), login and... the are
"automatically" moved from the folder to the desktop!

I don't want this! The client must "win" always.

4° test: At the opposite, client logout, delete on \\server\profiles
\user\desktop the file, login and the file disappear!
I want this, but on the "other side"

Thanks,
Michele
Re: One way roaming profile [message #164154 is a reply to message #164118] Tue, 16 June 2009 14:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michele Petrazzo  is currently offline Michele Petrazzo  Italy
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On 15 Giu, 19:23, "Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer]"
<ace...@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org> wrote:
> I agree with Lanwench. It's a two way process automatically run at both
> events.
>
> Have you considered Folder Redirection?
>

I don't think that folder redirection can be a valid solution for this
specific environment. See my example wrote on the other post.

But it's the last chances, I'll adopt it.

Thanks,
Michele
Re: One way roaming profile [message #164167 is a reply to message #164154] Tue, 16 June 2009 17:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
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"Michele Petrazzo" <michele.petrazzo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d8ca17c6-e0ab-4fe7-b696-e49dc2597d01@f19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
> On 15 Giu, 19:23, "Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer]"
> <ace...@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org> wrote:
>> I agree with Lanwench. It's a two way process automatically run at both
>> events.
>>
>> Have you considered Folder Redirection?
>>
>
> I don't think that folder redirection can be a valid solution for this
> specific environment. See my example wrote on the other post.
>
> But it's the last chances, I'll adopt it.
>
> Thanks,
> Michele


I was reading the parts where you said the user's current data must win when
they connect in, which is why I suggested it. There is no "profile" involved
when redirecting only the My Documents folder. If you want to deal with
profiles, you can do that too, but I'm not sure of the importance in your
scenario of a roaming profile. Is it soley for their My Documents files or
is there another reason? I wasn't able to find the purpose of your goals in
your posts, unless I missed something.

Folder Redirection stores the user's My Document folder (and sub folders) on
the server in the user's home folder, and there is a securely cached copy on
the user's laptop and/or desktop. While the user is off the network (at
home, business trip, etc), they will be using Offline Files (they're secured
cached copy). Whenever they connect, it either automatically syncs
(default), or you can select it to not sync (unadvised or defeating its
purpose). This way you can include the files with the server's backup
schedule. If they delete something, you can either retrieve it from a
backup, or you can elect to use "Previous Files" option on the share, which
is a cool feature and allows them to recover or at least revert to their
previous version. It saves 99 copies of previous versions of a file.

Ace
Re: One way roaming profile [message #164182 is a reply to message #164153] Wed, 17 June 2009 09:10 Go to previous message
lanwench  is currently offline lanwench  United States
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Michele Petrazzo <michele.petrazzo@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 15 Giu, 19:11, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
> <lanwe...@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:
>> Michele Petrazzo <michele.petra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 15 Giu, 14:50, "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>>> <lanwe...@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> When a user work outside and return on office, I want that on
>>>>> login the server doesn't send the (roaming) profile saved and on
>>>>> logout it receive the good one present on the laptop.
>>>>> Something like the "Delete cached copies of roaming profiles", but
>>>>> perfectly the opposite, so on the server there are no data and the
>>>>> client only send.
>>>>> The better would be that it synchronize the profile on the client
>>>>> with that on the server, so the client haven't to send the whole
>>>>> profile every logout.
>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Michele
>>
>>>> But it doesn't send the whole profile up or down, every time. The
>>>> first time someone logs into a PC, the profile is downloaded. when
>>>> they log out, the *changes* are uploaded.
>>
>>> I know, but if a user at home (or out of office) delete some files,
>>> move others and so one, on the next logon, he'll receive the ones
>>> saved on the server. This is the problem! I don't want this!
>>> The logout sequence does the right work. I want to simple disable
>>> the login one!
>>
>> That is a case for offline files - the data folders should *not* be
>> part of the profile path whether you use roaming profiles or not.
>>
>
> Why not? If a user save his data on, for example, desktop or
> documents, why don't leave he to do this? The users have the (bad)
> habit to work with this policy, and I don't want to change it.
> Of course I want to "automatic save" / sync these data into the
> server, so I use roaming profiles.

I don't seem to be making myself understood here. :-)

The profile *must* be small if you want it to work properly. Do not even
attempt to use roaming profiles if you are not going to redirect folders.
The data folders need to be redirected *out* of the profile path and onto
the server. Your laptop users should have offline folders enabled.

>
>> However, you're mistaken. The changes are 2 way. The latest version
>> wins. So if a user deletes a file from his locally cached profile
>> and logs in again in the office, that file won't be restored (unless
>> you have major problems unrelated to this).
>>
>> Do some testing and you'll see.
>>
>
> Before wrote, I did it!
> My test env: srv2k (on my customer I have 2k3 and it's the same).
> Client xp pro.
> Here I have all on virtual machine, and on production, all "real".
> Client joined on domain correctly.
> 1 test:
> - Created a new user on server, profile path set, no gpo
> - Login, create a new file, logout. Login and logout. The file are
> there, on the desktop
> 2 test:
> - Login, delete the file, logout, login. No file on desktop and no
> file on \\server\profiles\user\desktop
> 3 test:
> - Login, create a file, logout. Server has the file. Disconnect the
> network on the client (for simulating some work out of office), login
> on domain (yes on error that the server aren't accessible). Create new
> folder, move the file inside, logout (yes on error). Reconnect the
> network (I'm returned in the office), login and... the are
> "automatically" moved from the folder to the desktop!
>
> I don't want this! The client must "win" always.

There is no way to always make the client win. However, the *newest* version
should win, which means something's wrong here. Check your event logs and
then download and install the User Profile Hive Cleanup service....
>
> 4 test: At the opposite, client logout, delete on \\server\profiles
> \user\desktop the file, login and the file disappear!
> I want this, but on the "other side"
>

If you redirect the folders and enable offline files, the changes to the
desktop and My Documents will sync regardless.

And your roaming profiles should work properly if you keep them *tiny*.

> Thanks,
> Michele
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