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ASUS Drivers for Windows Server 2008 [message #164454] Tue, 23 June 2009 21:36 Go to next message
Stewart Berman  is currently offline Stewart Berman  United States
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I have Windows Server 2008 with Hyper-V 64 bit installed on a machine with an M3A78-EM ASUS
motherboard. The CD that came with the system includes drivers for Vista 64 bit which should work
with Windows Server 2008 64 bit. Unfortunately, the installation package says it does support
WNT_6.0I.

Is there anyway to make it think it is installing in Vista 64 bit?
Re: ASUS Drivers for Windows Server 2008 [message #164456 is a reply to message #164454] Tue, 23 June 2009 22:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Grant Taylor  is currently offline Grant Taylor  United States
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Stewart Berman wrote:
> I have Windows Server 2008 with Hyper-V 64 bit installed on a machine
> with an M3A78-EM ASUS motherboard. The CD that came with the system
> includes drivers for Vista 64 bit which should work with Windows
> Server 2008 64 bit. Unfortunately, the installation package says it
> does support WNT_6.0I.

Extract the drivers (or find them on the CD) and install them for every
device manually.



Grant. . . .
Re: ASUS Drivers for Windows Server 2008 [message #164457 is a reply to message #164454] Tue, 23 June 2009 22:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
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"Stewart Berman" <saberman@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
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>I have Windows Server 2008 with Hyper-V 64 bit installed on a machine with
>an M3A78-EM ASUS
> motherboard. The CD that came with the system includes drivers for Vista
> 64 bit which should work
> with Windows Server 2008 64 bit. Unfortunately, the installation package
> says it does support
> WNT_6.0I.
>
> Is there anyway to make it think it is installing in Vista 64 bit?


Not that I am aware of personally. However, since it is already installed
and running, it's already using the built-in Windows 2008 drivers. Curious,
what drivers are you trying to install? Are there any red X's in Device
Manager for any motherboard components?

I went to ASUS' site to see if there are any drivers for this board for
2008. They do not list any for Windows 2003 x86 or x64, nor for any Windows
2008 version. Check for yourself:

In the drop down selection boxes, choose Motherboard, then for the Series,
select Socket AM2/AM2+/AM3, then select M3A78-EM. They do not offer drivers
for 2008.
http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en- us

Looking at your motherboard model at their website, apparently it appears to
be an overclockable gamer's board and not meant for the server operating
systems.
http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=KjpYqzmAd9vsTM2D



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Re: ASUS Drivers for Windows Server 2008 [message #164503 is a reply to message #164457] Wed, 24 June 2009 17:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Stewart Berman  is currently offline Stewart Berman  United States
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>>I went to ASUS' site to see if there are any drivers for this board for

ASUS technical support says:

"Unfortunately as this is not a server board it does not support server OS directly. we do not have
any resources for that OS here . I would go to the chip manufacturers page and see if they have any
drivers for that OS itself. or search for boards that are server boards that have the same chipset.
Unfortunately vista like OS of the 64 bit nature use extreme driver signing practices that are not
easy to defeat as microsoft is trying to get the hardware to stricter standards so that the 32- 64
change over has less problems, the worst part is that this practice causes it to be harder to get
them running in situations like these. "


Notice the "the worst part is that this practice causes it to be harder to get them running in
situations like these".

>Looking at your motherboard model at their website, apparently it appears to
>be an overclockable gamer's board and not meant for the server operating
>systems.

I am using it as a test machine. It supports Hyper-V.

I will switch to Windows 7 Ultimate when it is released and user VPC instead of Hyper-V. This
assumes that ASUS will supply Windows 7 drivers.

"Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer]" <aceman@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org> wrote:

>"Stewart Berman" <saberman@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
>news:5rv2451net881jpmmb3r5m7km9m75l00hi@4ax.com...
>>I have Windows Server 2008 with Hyper-V 64 bit installed on a machine with
>>an M3A78-EM ASUS
>> motherboard. The CD that came with the system includes drivers for Vista
>> 64 bit which should work
>> with Windows Server 2008 64 bit. Unfortunately, the installation package
>> says it does support
>> WNT_6.0I.
>>
>> Is there anyway to make it think it is installing in Vista 64 bit?
>
>
>Not that I am aware of personally. However, since it is already installed
>and running, it's already using the built-in Windows 2008 drivers. Curious,
>what drivers are you trying to install? Are there any red X's in Device
>Manager for any motherboard components?
>
>I went to ASUS' site to see if there are any drivers for this board for
>2008. They do not list any for Windows 2003 x86 or x64, nor for any Windows
>2008 version. Check for yourself:
>
>In the drop down selection boxes, choose Motherboard, then for the Series,
>select Socket AM2/AM2+/AM3, then select M3A78-EM. They do not offer drivers
>for 2008.
> http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en- us
>
>Looking at your motherboard model at their website, apparently it appears to
>be an overclockable gamer's board and not meant for the server operating
>systems.
>http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=KjpYqzmAd9vsTM2D
Re: ASUS Drivers for Windows Server 2008 [message #164507 is a reply to message #164503] Thu, 25 June 2009 01:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
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"Stewart Berman" <saberman@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
news:n345459dgrpvkmm7snva7bunn11prg9laq@4ax.com...
>>>I went to ASUS' site to see if there are any drivers for this board for
>
> ASUS technical support says:
>
> "Unfortunately as this is not a server board it does not support server OS
> directly. we do not have
> any resources for that OS here . I would go to the chip manufacturers page
> and see if they have any
> drivers for that OS itself. or search for boards that are server boards
> that have the same chipset.
> Unfortunately vista like OS of the 64 bit nature use extreme driver
> signing practices that are not
> easy to defeat as microsoft is trying to get the hardware to stricter
> standards so that the 32- 64
> change over has less problems, the worst part is that this practice causes
> it to be harder to get
> them running in situations like these. "
>
>
> Notice the "the worst part is that this practice causes it to be harder to
> get them running in
> situations like these".
>
>>Looking at your motherboard model at their website, apparently it appears
>>to
>>be an overclockable gamer's board and not meant for the server operating
>>systems.
>
> I am using it as a test machine. It supports Hyper-V.
>
> I will switch to Windows 7 Ultimate when it is released and user VPC
> instead of Hyper-V. This
> assumes that ASUS will supply Windows 7 drivers.

I think the 'worst' part is where they say that they are trying to defeat
Microsoft's software signing implementations. All they have to do is follow
the rules and create a driver that works under Windows 2008 and Windows
2003. Many other manufacturers do, so I really don't see why they don't.
Does that make sense? So there's probably a reason why possibly Microsoft
hasn't certified that specific board. It could possibly be a performance
criteria, or something else, who knows.

If I may suggest, you can use an Intel based board, for most of them are
supported for Windows server operating systems. I know they cost more, and
I'm sure that you're working within a budget, as many of us are. Otherwise,
wait a few more months for Windows 7, or use Vista or XP and run VPC to run
Windows 2008 on this machine.

Ace
Re: ASUS Drivers for Windows Server 2008 [message #164572 is a reply to message #164507] Fri, 26 June 2009 22:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Stewart Berman  is currently offline Stewart Berman  United States
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"Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer]" <aceman@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org> wrote:

>"Stewart Berman" <saberman@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
>news:n345459dgrpvkmm7snva7bunn11prg9laq@4ax.com...
>>>>I went to ASUS' site to see if there are any drivers for this board for
>>
>> ASUS technical support says:
>>
>> "Unfortunately as this is not a server board it does not support server OS
>> directly. we do not have
>> any resources for that OS here . I would go to the chip manufacturers page
>> and see if they have any
>> drivers for that OS itself. or search for boards that are server boards
>> that have the same chipset.
>> Unfortunately vista like OS of the 64 bit nature use extreme driver
>> signing practices that are not
>> easy to defeat as microsoft is trying to get the hardware to stricter
>> standards so that the 32- 64
>> change over has less problems, the worst part is that this practice causes
>> it to be harder to get
>> them running in situations like these. "
>>
>>
>> Notice the "the worst part is that this practice causes it to be harder to
>> get them running in
>> situations like these".
>>
>>>Looking at your motherboard model at their website, apparently it appears
>>>to
>>>be an overclockable gamer's board and not meant for the server operating
>>>systems.
>>
>> I am using it as a test machine. It supports Hyper-V.
>>
>> I will switch to Windows 7 Ultimate when it is released and user VPC
>> instead of Hyper-V. This
>> assumes that ASUS will supply Windows 7 drivers.
>
>I think the 'worst' part is where they say that they are trying to defeat
>Microsoft's software signing implementations. All they have to do is follow
>the rules and create a driver that works under Windows 2008 and Windows
>2003. Many other manufacturers do, so I really don't see why they don't.
>Does that make sense? So there's probably a reason why possibly Microsoft
>hasn't certified that specific board. It could possibly be a performance
>criteria, or something else, who knows.
>
>If I may suggest, you can use an Intel based board, for most of them are
>supported for Windows server operating systems. I know they cost more, and
>I'm sure that you're working within a budget, as many of us are. Otherwise,
>wait a few more months for Windows 7, or use Vista or XP and run VPC to run
>Windows 2008 on this machine.
>
>Ace
>
The fact of the matter is that their drivers do work under Windows Server 2008 with Hyper-V. It is
the installation process that doesn't. What is really funny is that the board's BIOS has support
for Hyper-V as an option. Hyper-V is only available via Server 2008. So the BIOS of the
motherboard is designed to support Server 2008 but the drivers' installation process isn't.

The probably reason is that they don't see a market for the board in a server system. It is not
something that would be used in a production environment. (I am using it for testing/development.)
So why spend the effort and manpower to update the installation and have them certified for Server?

It wouldn't be so bad if the process would simply say the driver is not logoed for the OS and let
you decide whether or not to install it (as drivers and applications that don't have Microsoft
certification do). Their install refuses to do anything. When I have time I will see if changing
all of the setup.ini files on the CD to include the Server OS ID will solve the problem. I think
there are around a hundred of them.
Re: ASUS Drivers for Windows Server 2008 [message #164573 is a reply to message #164572] Fri, 26 June 2009 23:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
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"Stewart Berman" <saberman@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
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>
> The fact of the matter is that their drivers do work under Windows Server
> 2008 with Hyper-V. It is
> the installation process that doesn't. What is really funny is that the
> board's BIOS has support
> for Hyper-V as an option. Hyper-V is only available via Server 2008. So
> the BIOS of the
> motherboard is designed to support Server 2008 but the drivers'
> installation process isn't.
>
> The probably reason is that they don't see a market for the board in a
> server system. It is not
> something that would be used in a production environment. (I am using it
> for testing/development.)
> So why spend the effort and manpower to update the installation and have
> them certified for Server?
>
> It wouldn't be so bad if the process would simply say the driver is not
> logoed for the OS and let
> you decide whether or not to install it (as drivers and applications that
> don't have Microsoft
> certification do). Their install refuses to do anything. When I have
> time I will see if changing
> all of the setup.ini files on the CD to include the Server OS ID will
> solve the problem. I think
> there are around a hundred of them.

That would be ironic if it supports Hyper-V but can't install. I think it's
the driver signing part that is holding them up, and IIRC, it has to be
certified under 2008 to be able to use a cert to sign the software, that is
if I have that part right.

Curious if you get it working. Let me know, please.

Ace
Re: ASUS Drivers for Windows Server 2008 [message #164590 is a reply to message #164573] Sat, 27 June 2009 18:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Stewart Berman  is currently offline Stewart Berman  United States
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"Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer]" <aceman@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org> wrote:

>"Stewart Berman" <saberman@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
>news:ei1b45l5m7ri2b5f1kbasou6e69u7annvr@4ax.com...
>>
>> The fact of the matter is that their drivers do work under Windows Server
>> 2008 with Hyper-V. It is
>> the installation process that doesn't. What is really funny is that the
>> board's BIOS has support
>> for Hyper-V as an option. Hyper-V is only available via Server 2008. So
>> the BIOS of the
>> motherboard is designed to support Server 2008 but the drivers'
>> installation process isn't.
>>
>> The probably reason is that they don't see a market for the board in a
>> server system. It is not
>> something that would be used in a production environment. (I am using it
>> for testing/development.)
>> So why spend the effort and manpower to update the installation and have
>> them certified for Server?
>>
>> It wouldn't be so bad if the process would simply say the driver is not
>> logoed for the OS and let
>> you decide whether or not to install it (as drivers and applications that
>> don't have Microsoft
>> certification do). Their install refuses to do anything. When I have
>> time I will see if changing
>> all of the setup.ini files on the CD to include the Server OS ID will
>> solve the problem. I think
>> there are around a hundred of them.
>
>That would be ironic if it supports Hyper-V but can't install. I think it's
>the driver signing part that is holding them up, and IIRC, it has to be
>certified under 2008 to be able to use a cert to sign the software, that is
>if I have that part right.
>
>Curious if you get it working. Let me know, please.
>
>Ace
>
>

I would be surprised if a hardware driver would work in Vista x64 and not in Windows Server 2008
x64. The HAL interface should be the same. Of course it is possible that the server code is more
restrictive as to what a hardware driver can get away with.

Anyway, I think I will wait for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 RTM ISOs to ba available before
I try this again.
Re: ASUS Drivers for Windows Server 2008 [message #164594 is a reply to message #164590] Sat, 27 June 2009 20:53 Go to previous message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
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"Stewart Berman" <saberman@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
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>
> I would be surprised if a hardware driver would work in Vista x64 and not
> in Windows Server 2008
> x64. The HAL interface should be the same. Of course it is possible that
> the server code is more
> restrictive as to what a hardware driver can get away with.
>
> Anyway, I think I will wait for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 RTM
> ISOs to ba available before
> I try this again.

Sounds good. Good luck!

Ace
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