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Raid problem [message #298213] Mon, 26 October 2009 04:35 Go to next message
Pearl  is currently offline Pearl
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I am helping a friend setup his new HP ML150 G6 server with Windows 2003.
After the installation (and, all appears fine for the operating system), he
asked me if I could setup his two hard drives for mirroring (RAID 1) so I
opened up Computer Manager and went to Disk Management. What I saw was:

2 hard drives : the first was partitioned into C and E when I installed
Windows 2003. He wanted a second partition to segregate his data. But, then
there were two other "misssing" dynamic drives each the size of the drives
that he has in his server.

He also has an Unallocated Dynamic drive.

What I think has happened is that prior to installing Windows 2003 he had
the 2 hard drives already in a RAID configuration by the manufacturer....and,
when I installed Windows 2003 it lost its configuration.

He later indicated that he "believes" he was told that the server came with
Hardware Raid setup.

I am not sure what to do here. I'm pretty sure that you can not have
software RAID if there is Hardware RAID but he doesn't have any other CD/DVD
for the server that would allow me to setup hardware RAID nor does he appear
to have a separate utility partition on the hard drive (of course, I could
have destroyed it in the installation...don't know for sure).

Can anyone give me some advice?
Re: Raid problem [message #298247 is a reply to message #298213] Mon, 26 October 2009 05:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
meiweb  is currently offline meiweb  Germany
Messages: 2225
Registered: September 2009
Senior Member
Hello Pearl,

With HP servers you get a SmartStart disk to prepare the builtin hardware
RAID controller with the needed setup. So prior to installing the OS start
the SmartStart disk and configure the RAID controller.

If the disk is not delivered check here for the newest version.
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/DriverDownl oad.jsp?prodNameId=344318&lang=en&cc=us&prodType Id=18964&prodSeriesId=345557&taskId=135

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
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> I am helping a friend setup his new HP ML150 G6 server with Windows
> 2003. After the installation (and, all appears fine for the operating
> system), he asked me if I could setup his two hard drives for
> mirroring (RAID 1) so I opened up Computer Manager and went to Disk
> Management. What I saw was:
>
> 2 hard drives : the first was partitioned into C and E when I
> installed Windows 2003. He wanted a second partition to segregate his
> data. But, then there were two other "misssing" dynamic drives each
> the size of the drives that he has in his server.
>
> He also has an Unallocated Dynamic drive.
>
> What I think has happened is that prior to installing Windows 2003 he
> had the 2 hard drives already in a RAID configuration by the
> manufacturer....and, when I installed Windows 2003 it lost its
> configuration.
>
> He later indicated that he "believes" he was told that the server came
> with Hardware Raid setup.
>
> I am not sure what to do here. I'm pretty sure that you can not have
> software RAID if there is Hardware RAID but he doesn't have any other
> CD/DVD for the server that would allow me to setup hardware RAID nor
> does he appear to have a separate utility partition on the hard drive
> (of course, I could have destroyed it in the installation...don't know
> for sure).
>
> Can anyone give me some advice?
>
Re: Raid problem [message #298293 is a reply to message #298213] Mon, 26 October 2009 06:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
pbbergs  is currently offline pbbergs  United States
Messages: 1024
Registered: July 2009
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This has nothing to do with Active Directory. My advice would be to contact
the manufacturer and have them help you through the setup.

--
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MVP - Directory Services
MCTS, MCT, MCSE, MCSA, Security+, BS CSci
2008, 2003, 2000 (Early Achiever), NT4
Microsoft's Thrive IT Pro of the Month - June 2009

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"Pearl" <Pearl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:13156420-567E-4BE7-A398-99E0CACD17B6@microsoft.com...
>I am helping a friend setup his new HP ML150 G6 server with Windows 2003.
> After the installation (and, all appears fine for the operating system),
> he
> asked me if I could setup his two hard drives for mirroring (RAID 1) so I
> opened up Computer Manager and went to Disk Management. What I saw was:
>
> 2 hard drives : the first was partitioned into C and E when I installed
> Windows 2003. He wanted a second partition to segregate his data. But,
> then
> there were two other "misssing" dynamic drives each the size of the drives
> that he has in his server.
>
> He also has an Unallocated Dynamic drive.
>
> What I think has happened is that prior to installing Windows 2003 he had
> the 2 hard drives already in a RAID configuration by the
> manufacturer....and,
> when I installed Windows 2003 it lost its configuration.
>
> He later indicated that he "believes" he was told that the server came
> with
> Hardware Raid setup.
>
> I am not sure what to do here. I'm pretty sure that you can not have
> software RAID if there is Hardware RAID but he doesn't have any other
> CD/DVD
> for the server that would allow me to setup hardware RAID nor does he
> appear
> to have a separate utility partition on the hard drive (of course, I could
> have destroyed it in the installation...don't know for sure).
>
> Can anyone give me some advice?
Re: Raid problem [message #298336 is a reply to message #298213] Mon, 26 October 2009 06:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aceman  is currently offline aceman  United States
Messages: 5816
Registered: July 2009
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"Pearl" <Pearl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:13156420-567E-4BE7-A398-99E0CACD17B6@microsoft.com...
>I am helping a friend setup his new HP ML150 G6 server with Windows 2003.
> After the installation (and, all appears fine for the operating system),
> he
> asked me if I could setup his two hard drives for mirroring (RAID 1) so I
> opened up Computer Manager and went to Disk Management. What I saw was:
>
> 2 hard drives : the first was partitioned into C and E when I installed
> Windows 2003. He wanted a second partition to segregate his data. But,
> then
> there were two other "misssing" dynamic drives each the size of the drives
> that he has in his server.
>
> He also has an Unallocated Dynamic drive.
>
> What I think has happened is that prior to installing Windows 2003 he had
> the 2 hard drives already in a RAID configuration by the
> manufacturer....and,
> when I installed Windows 2003 it lost its configuration.
>
> He later indicated that he "believes" he was told that the server came
> with
> Hardware Raid setup.
>
> I am not sure what to do here. I'm pretty sure that you can not have
> software RAID if there is Hardware RAID but he doesn't have any other
> CD/DVD
> for the server that would allow me to setup hardware RAID nor does he
> appear
> to have a separate utility partition on the hard drive (of course, I could
> have destroyed it in the installation...don't know for sure).
>
> Can anyone give me some advice?



Once a hardware based RAID has been configured, it creates a "logical drive"
that is made up of all the drives in the RAID membership, therefor all the
drives in the array will "look" like one drive. So when you installed the
operating system, Windows will only "see" the logical drive. That is why it
doesn't show up in COmputer Management. However, you can see the array if
you have the HP tools installed. BUT, do not alter the memberships in the
tools, or you may effectively destroy your installation.

If your friend needs additional partitions or drives, depending if the
machine uses hot-swap drives or not, and how many slots are left, I suggest
to get two or three more drives, install them into their slots, and use the
HP tools, or reboot, to put them together into another RAID array.

As Paul suggested, it may be best to contact HP for help just to avoid any
issues.

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Re: Raid problem [message #298364 is a reply to message #298247] Mon, 26 October 2009 07:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Pearl  is currently offline Pearl
Messages: 32
Registered: August 2009
Member
many thanks. I appreciate your advice.

"Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" wrote:

> Hello Pearl,
>
> With HP servers you get a SmartStart disk to prepare the builtin hardware
> RAID controller with the needed setup. So prior to installing the OS start
> the SmartStart disk and configure the RAID controller.
>
> If the disk is not delivered check here for the newest version.
> http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/DriverDownl oad.jsp?prodNameId=344318&lang=en&cc=us&prodType Id=18964&prodSeriesId=345557&taskId=135
>
> Best regards
>
> Meinolf Weber
> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
> no rights.
> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>
>
> > I am helping a friend setup his new HP ML150 G6 server with Windows
> > 2003. After the installation (and, all appears fine for the operating
> > system), he asked me if I could setup his two hard drives for
> > mirroring (RAID 1) so I opened up Computer Manager and went to Disk
> > Management. What I saw was:
> >
> > 2 hard drives : the first was partitioned into C and E when I
> > installed Windows 2003. He wanted a second partition to segregate his
> > data. But, then there were two other "misssing" dynamic drives each
> > the size of the drives that he has in his server.
> >
> > He also has an Unallocated Dynamic drive.
> >
> > What I think has happened is that prior to installing Windows 2003 he
> > had the 2 hard drives already in a RAID configuration by the
> > manufacturer....and, when I installed Windows 2003 it lost its
> > configuration.
> >
> > He later indicated that he "believes" he was told that the server came
> > with Hardware Raid setup.
> >
> > I am not sure what to do here. I'm pretty sure that you can not have
> > software RAID if there is Hardware RAID but he doesn't have any other
> > CD/DVD for the server that would allow me to setup hardware RAID nor
> > does he appear to have a separate utility partition on the hard drive
> > (of course, I could have destroyed it in the installation...don't know
> > for sure).
> >
> > Can anyone give me some advice?
> >
>
>
> .
>
Re: Raid problem [message #298705 is a reply to message #298213] Mon, 26 October 2009 11:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lanwench  is currently offline lanwench  United States
Messages: 1684
Registered: July 2009
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Pearl <Pearl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> I am helping a friend setup his new HP ML150 G6 server with Windows
> 2003. After the installation (and, all appears fine for the operating
> system), he asked me if I could setup his two hard drives for
> mirroring (RAID 1) so I opened up Computer Manager and went to Disk
> Management. What I saw was:
>
> 2 hard drives : the first was partitioned into C and E when I
> installed Windows 2003. He wanted a second partition to segregate
> his data. But, then there were two other "misssing" dynamic drives
> each the size of the drives that he has in his server.
>
> He also has an Unallocated Dynamic drive.
>
> What I think has happened is that prior to installing Windows 2003 he
> had the 2 hard drives already in a RAID configuration by the
> manufacturer....and, when I installed Windows 2003 it lost its
> configuration.
>
> He later indicated that he "believes" he was told that the server
> came with Hardware Raid setup.
>
> I am not sure what to do here. I'm pretty sure that you can not have
> software RAID if there is Hardware RAID but he doesn't have any other
> CD/DVD for the server that would allow me to setup hardware RAID nor
> does he appear to have a separate utility partition on the hard drive
> (of course, I could have destroyed it in the installation...don't
> know for sure).
>
> Can anyone give me some advice?

In addition to the other replies -

* Always configure your hardware RAID before installing your OS
* When you have hardware RAID you don't set up software RAID
* You can see your hardware RAID settings when you boot up and select the
option to go into the controller's BIOS
* You can install the mfr's system utilities after the OS install to view
the RAID config, etc, in the GUI
* Contact the manufacturer's tech support if you aren't sure what you've got
Re: Raid problem [message #298990 is a reply to message #298213] Mon, 26 October 2009 15:10 Go to previous message
Jorge Silva  is currently offline Jorge Silva  Portugal
Messages: 398
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Those servers are pre-shipped with Hardware solution RAID, in fact that's
the only one that makes sense at the moment if you want to have true
availability. Installing Windows DOESN'T break anything that relates with
Hardware RAID solutions, in fact windows is installed on those systems as if
it was in a single drive.

To check which drive configuration you have, you may use the HP Management
website that is installed as part of the SmartStartCD setup, or if you
prefer the SupportTools that can be download at HP website and installed
latter on, additionally and if you don't have any OS installed and you just
want to view the Drive configuration, you nee to press F8 at the server boot
process when prompted (normally during the Harddrive controller check).

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I hope that the information above helps you.
Have a Nice day.
Jorge Silva
MVP Directory Services

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"Pearl" <Pearl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:13156420-567E-4BE7-A398-99E0CACD17B6@microsoft.com...
> I am helping a friend setup his new HP ML150 G6 server with Windows 2003.
> After the installation (and, all appears fine for the operating system),
> he
> asked me if I could setup his two hard drives for mirroring (RAID 1) so I
> opened up Computer Manager and went to Disk Management. What I saw was:
>
> 2 hard drives : the first was partitioned into C and E when I installed
> Windows 2003. He wanted a second partition to segregate his data. But,
> then
> there were two other "misssing" dynamic drives each the size of the drives
> that he has in his server.
>
> He also has an Unallocated Dynamic drive.
>
> What I think has happened is that prior to installing Windows 2003 he had
> the 2 hard drives already in a RAID configuration by the
> manufacturer....and,
> when I installed Windows 2003 it lost its configuration.
>
> He later indicated that he "believes" he was told that the server came
> with
> Hardware Raid setup.
>
> I am not sure what to do here. I'm pretty sure that you can not have
> software RAID if there is Hardware RAID but he doesn't have any other
> CD/DVD
> for the server that would allow me to setup hardware RAID nor does he
> appear
> to have a separate utility partition on the hard drive (of course, I could
> have destroyed it in the installation...don't know for sure).
>
> Can anyone give me some advice?
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