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Two Sites / Two domains [message #316342] Thu, 12 November 2009 23:07 Go to next message
snarf2948  is currently offline snarf2948  United States
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Registered: November 2009
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im interested in having two domains (child i would assume) at two
physical locations.

I also want to have a PPTP VPN set up for replication and a path for
networking both ways. Since the one domain manages AV, WSUS and other
applications. The domains are the names of the family in that house.
The reason for the domains are that individuals like to go through
others files, we also use replication for family pictures and use of
resources at each others residences. Total storage on our network is
just shy of 5TB's and we also have 5 printers on the servers we all want
to share. Thus being said, trusts need to be setup. I am running AD.

Also with my profession I want to be able to work with friends in the
same profession and learn more about our functions of our OS's and
become more profeccient.

Any one with suggestions for me? Am I nuts for doing something like
this? For a house I have a bit of over kill


Domain 1
Dell 1600SC as a Domain Controller with 2.2TB NAS.
Home made box as second DC.
Cisco 3750 48 port switch, Cisco 1231 K9 AP for wireless.
Cox premium HSI Docsis 3.0

Domain 2
Home made DC with 2.5 TB storage.
Linksys GB 16 port switch into a cox modem HSI Docsis 3.0

Our city is implimenting Docsis 3.0 speeds are reaching average 66MB
down and 5 MB up.

Thank you for your constructive feedback. Also suggestions for
completing my goal would be nice and or links for instructions for site
to site connections. the technet ones didnt work for me..
Home made server


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Re: Two Sites / Two domains [message #316355 is a reply to message #316342] Thu, 12 November 2009 23:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
florian  is currently offline florian  Switzerland
Messages: 484
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Howdie!

snarf2948 wrote:
> im interested in having two domains (child i would assume) at two
> physical locations.
>
> I also want to have a PPTP VPN set up for replication and a path for
> networking both ways. Since the one domain manages AV, WSUS and other
> applications. The domains are the names of the family in that house.
> The reason for the domains are that individuals like to go through
> others files, we also use replication for family pictures and use of
> resources at each others residences. Total storage on our network is
> just shy of 5TB's and we also have 5 printers on the servers we all want
> to share. Thus being said, trusts need to be setup. I am running AD.

You are nuts - but in a good way. Having an AD running at home I
wouldn't consider something that I'd need. Just thinking about the
licencing cost...

Anyway, as a testing and playground this is OK, I think. I have played
with these things a lot. If you feel that the setup is worth the work
involved with it, you should do it. I personally would invest in a fat
machine (maybe two) and Hyper-V/virtualize the whole playground with a
few DCs and domains if it's just about the learning.

Family members should be able to manage things rather than ask you every
time they want a new share or different permissions. Or are they
supposed to run as domain admins (which would render the whole scenario
useless)?

> Also with my profession I want to be able to work with friends in the
> same profession and learn more about our functions of our OS's and
> become more profeccient.
>
> Any one with suggestions for me? Am I nuts for doing something like
> this? For a house I have a bit of over kill
>
>
> Domain 1
> Dell 1600SC as a Domain Controller with 2.2TB NAS.
> Home made box as second DC.
> Cisco 3750 48 port switch, Cisco 1231 K9 AP for wireless.
> Cox premium HSI Docsis 3.0
>
> Domain 2
> Home made DC with 2.5 TB storage.
> Linksys GB 16 port switch into a cox modem HSI Docsis 3.0
>
> Our city is implimenting Docsis 3.0 speeds are reaching average 66MB
> down and 5 MB up.

With that line, why have two domains in the first place? Are there
security reasons? Why not run a single domain with two sites and have
them replicate? Would be easier to manage. You could create child
domains in VMs if that's what you really want and play with.

Florian
Re: Two Sites / Two domains [message #316461 is a reply to message #316342] Fri, 13 November 2009 03:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
meiweb  is currently offline meiweb  Germany
Messages: 2225
Registered: September 2009
Senior Member
Hello snarf2948,

I second Florians suggestion. If you really like to built AD for the families,
use a single forest domain with 2 sites. That way with an OU for each family
they can get control for all needs and don't have to contact you for any
change.

For a family network i wouldn't built a domain, even with the need to exchange
data. Therefore you can also use a "fileserver" (XP Pro, Vista, Windows7)
with large harddisk, where you can connect to.

For learning is the use of VMs the easiest and in my opinion best solution.
I do it always that way.

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
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> im interested in having two domains (child i would assume) at two
> physical locations.
>
> I also want to have a PPTP VPN set up for replication and a path for
> networking both ways. Since the one domain manages AV, WSUS and other
> applications. The domains are the names of the family in that house.
> The reason for the domains are that individuals like to go through
> others files, we also use replication for family pictures and use of
> resources at each others residences. Total storage on our network is
> just shy of 5TB's and we also have 5 printers on the servers we all
> want to share. Thus being said, trusts need to be setup. I am
> running AD.
>
> Also with my profession I want to be able to work with friends in the
> same profession and learn more about our functions of our OS's and
> become more profeccient.
>
> Any one with suggestions for me? Am I nuts for doing something like
> this? For a house I have a bit of over kill
>
> Domain 1
> Dell 1600SC as a Domain Controller with 2.2TB NAS.
> Home made box as second DC.
> Cisco 3750 48 port switch, Cisco 1231 K9 AP for wireless.
> Cox premium HSI Docsis 3.0
> Domain 2
> Home made DC with 2.5 TB storage.
> Linksys GB 16 port switch into a cox modem HSI Docsis 3.0
> Our city is implimenting Docsis 3.0 speeds are reaching average 66MB
> down and 5 MB up.
>
> Thank you for your constructive feedback. Also suggestions for
> completing my goal would be nice and or links for instructions for
> site
> to site connections. the technet ones didnt work for me..
> Home made server
> http://forums.techarena.in
>
Re: Two Sites / Two domains [message #316570 is a reply to message #316342] Fri, 13 November 2009 06:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
pbbergs  is currently offline pbbergs  United States
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Registered: July 2009
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Why would you want to build a domain, this is really a bad idea! Microsoft
recommends each domain has 2 domain controllers, so you should have a total
of 4 dc's in your two domains. Next they recommend you NOT run any other
application on these DC's so each site will need another workstation. What
about backups? Now you need to back up your directory structure, you have
additional machines you have to run AV against, etc... The you have to buy
four server licenses that will cost you near $2,000.00.

What is wrong with a workgroup? Each location can provide a user Id to the
others and share out what needs to be shared out to the other location. If
you were trying to build out a test lab and want to learn that is one thing
but what you are attempting IMHO is a huge maintenance issue. If you are
dead set on having a domain, then at least make it a single domain with two
sites (Each site your home) and each site have their own dc.

I don't see much value gained from a domain but I see a lot of potential
issues and a lot more money spent

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Paul Bergson
MVP - Directory Services
MCTS, MCT, MCSE, MCSA, Security+, BS CSci
2008, 2003, 2000 (Early Achiever), NT4
Microsoft's Thrive IT Pro of the Month - June 2009

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> im interested in having two domains (child i would assume) at two
> physical locations.
>
> I also want to have a PPTP VPN set up for replication and a path for
> networking both ways. Since the one domain manages AV, WSUS and other
> applications. The domains are the names of the family in that house.
> The reason for the domains are that individuals like to go through
> others files, we also use replication for family pictures and use of
> resources at each others residences. Total storage on our network is
> just shy of 5TB's and we also have 5 printers on the servers we all want
> to share. Thus being said, trusts need to be setup. I am running AD.
>
> Also with my profession I want to be able to work with friends in the
> same profession and learn more about our functions of our OS's and
> become more profeccient.
>
> Any one with suggestions for me? Am I nuts for doing something like
> this? For a house I have a bit of over kill
>
>
> Domain 1
> Dell 1600SC as a Domain Controller with 2.2TB NAS.
> Home made box as second DC.
> Cisco 3750 48 port switch, Cisco 1231 K9 AP for wireless.
> Cox premium HSI Docsis 3.0
>
> Domain 2
> Home made DC with 2.5 TB storage.
> Linksys GB 16 port switch into a cox modem HSI Docsis 3.0
>
> Our city is implimenting Docsis 3.0 speeds are reaching average 66MB
> down and 5 MB up.
>
> Thank you for your constructive feedback. Also suggestions for
> completing my goal would be nice and or links for instructions for site
> to site connections. the technet ones didnt work for me..
> Home made server
>
>
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Re: Two Sites / Two domains [message #317171 is a reply to message #316570] Fri, 13 November 2009 19:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
snarf2948  is currently offline snarf2948  United States
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I was trying to find out what would be the best way to do this. Thank
you for all the opinions. I think ill tear down the additional doamin
and setup a site because I do have two DC's, one at each site.

As far as why would I want this? I have a WSUS server for updates.
Previously I was going to their house to do updates and manage the
EUD's. Now I see this being benificial to me because i no longer have
to travel. I can also use applications to remote in and assist them if
needed.

I have both networks on a class c and two seperate subnets.

Also to those who may ask... I do have a vilid license for all my
software because I value my certifications. I have a COA on each box
thats on the network with a vaild license. As far as backups go, I have
a LTO2 tape on only one machine. My finances couldnt take me that far
for one at each site.

Now since I like the two sites, how do I rename my domain to something
that fits both sites? Wow this is going to be a maintence intensive
setup, but after its running, things will be so easy to manage and run.


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Re: Two Sites / Two domains [message #317341 is a reply to message #317171] Sat, 14 November 2009 04:20 Go to previous message
meiweb  is currently offline meiweb  Germany
Messages: 2225
Registered: September 2009
Senior Member
Hello snarf2948,

The domain name is just an "optical" part in the setup. So if you have already
2 domains up and running and assuming that you don;t have that amount of
workstations i suggest you demote the DC in one domain to a member server
and make it an additional DC in the then exisiting domain.

Then add the other machines to that domain, disadvantage of this way is that
all user profiles data on the remote house has to be saved if they need them,
maybe to a network share or USB drive. When they are now work with there
new user account from the other domain they can copy back the really needed
data, don't use the complete user profile in the new domain.

You can also configure the machines to use MS update there own, there is
no need to use WSUS, except you like to control/test all updates before deploying
them.

If the domains are not built at this moment you can choose whatever name
you like for the internal domain, just make sure to use a Full Qualified
domain name like DOMAIN.LOC and not only DOMAIN(single label domain name
which is not recommended to use)

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
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> I was trying to find out what would be the best way to do this. Thank
> you for all the opinions. I think ill tear down the additional doamin
> and setup a site because I do have two DC's, one at each site.
>
> As far as why would I want this? I have a WSUS server for updates.
> Previously I was going to their house to do updates and manage the
> EUD's. Now I see this being benificial to me because i no longer have
> to travel. I can also use applications to remote in and assist them
> if needed.
>
> I have both networks on a class c and two seperate subnets.
>
> Also to those who may ask... I do have a vilid license for all my
> software because I value my certifications. I have a COA on each box
> thats on the network with a vaild license. As far as backups go, I
> have a LTO2 tape on only one machine. My finances couldnt take me
> that far for one at each site.
>
> Now since I like the two sites, how do I rename my domain to something
> that fits both sites? Wow this is going to be a maintence intensive
> setup, but after its running, things will be so easy to manage and
> run.
>
> http://forums.techarena.in
>
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